Saturday, 5 January 2008

Chapter One Summary - The Adventure Begins Here.

THE STORY

  • The time line is hazy, but appears to be set a fairly short while after Flight 815 went missing
  • The experience starts as Oceanic Airlines prepares to start up services again after a period of being shut down while they investigate the disappearance of Flight 815. As part of this they have made a press release, re-launched their website, set up a number of billboards and opened a hotline.
  • Sam Thomas, an IT technician at Oceanic Airlines lost someone very dear to him on that flight, a woman named Sonya. He has made it his personal mission to find out what happened to her. As part of this he has launched a website "find815.com" to track his progress and gain publicity for his endeavour. He also has a Facebook and MySpace page and has even started up a T-Shirt campaign.
  • Sam had planned to propose to Sonya on the 8th anniversary of when they first met. This is apparently two months away. He had purchased an engagement ring.
  • As a result of his investigations and criticisms of Oceanic, Sam has lost his job but this has only led to him being more determined. Oceanic also claims he has some property of theirs that they want returned. His mother is worried about how this obsession is effecting him.
  • After some exposure on the news Sam is contacted by a mysterious person who hides some clues for him inside a picture of Sonya (see below for the specifics). The email appears to have originated from "The Maxwell Group". So far there is no information about this group and while they have a website it is simply a log in screen that is currently out of action, reportedly until "02/01/2008 00:08:15 UTC".
  • He also figures that "Christiane 1" sounds like a ship and with the help of a friend he discovers that it is a salvage vessel that is due to sail out from Jakarta.
  • Sam has decided to head to Jakarta and hitch a ride on board this vessel. He also applied for a job with Air Austral, an airline based in RĂ©union, an island in the Indian Ocean east of Madagascar (and an overseas region of France).
THE CLUES

  • The Oceanic Air Press Release - Lists the following destinations:
    1. Los Angeles, CA
    2. Tustin, CA
    3. Ames, IA
    4. Miami, FL
    5. New York, NY
    6. Portland, OR
    7. Knoxville, TN
    8. Seoul, South Korea
    9. Sydney, Australia.

All of these locations have turned out to have billboards advertising Oceanic Airlines. They also mention London later in the press release, but it is not in the main list.

  • The Oceanic Air Hotline - To begin with this took names and numbers and publicized the website. Now you can access voice mail on it, however so far this hasn't lead to anything.
  • Sunda Trench - A an area in the North East Indian Ocean with a reputation for mysterious disappearances of planes and boats as well as various seismic activities, currently Sam's only lead on a location.
  • Christiane 1 - This is a salvage vessel. It is currently in Jakarta and going to head to an unknown destination.
  • Black Rock - We all know about the Black Rock. But we don't know for sure how it relates to this story. We did however learn in the first Lost Experience that it's destination when it disappeared was the South Indian Ocean,
  • The Maxwell Group - So far we know nothing about this group, except someone from their wants to help Sam. The website seems like it is not due to be involved until February.
  • Matthew - (Abaddon is an alternate password given) password received from ABC's mini-game to finish the clue hunt, it may relate to this story, it may relate to Season 4, or it may be nothing.
  • Sam's manifest on 815 passengers - This bares no direct relation so far to the rest of Sam's story. It may be just to tie this story into the show or there may be further significance to it.
  • Oceanic Airlines property. Apparently Sam has some of their property and they want it back.
  • zkillen_t99@hotmail.com (appears on the mystery email when first viewed in the video, but not on Sam's computer)
  • Zeke Klotho Freundlich - the last line given in response to emailing the above address. The response also says "Since the dawn of our species, man's been blessed with curiosity. Your curiosity will be rewarded. Namaste."
    • Interesting Note: Clotho/Klotho is the youngest of the Greek Fates. It was Clotho who spun the threads of life with her distaff. Her Roman counterpart Nona, was originally a goddess called upon in the ninth month of pregnancy.
  • The Mystery Man - Sam's video diary had flashes of this mystery man. Who is he? A lot of people have commented that he looks familiar.


THE BILLBOARDS

The Billboards are one of the bigger mysteries at the moment. Several have been found in the locations listed in the Oceanic Airlines Press Release, usually near airports. These are the only real world clues in the experience so far. Each billboard has a location on it and a slogan. This is what we have seen so far:
  • Portland, Oregon - "A new life awaits you in Seoul". **One of the Korean signs in the background reads "keu chung 6 myeong man i" which means roughly "Out of that group 6 only six people..."
  • Tustin, California - "Discover the mysteries of Berlin". Interestingly there is no commercial airport in Tustin, which makes this location unusual (Thanks Alison and Memphish for that).
  • Sydney, Australia - "Fly to L.A.".
  • New York, New York - "Lose yourself in London"
  • Los Angeles, California - "The Adventure Begins Here". Shows Sydney, Australia.
  • Knoxville, Tennessee - "Find your way back to LA" (LA Again, but a different slogan).
  • Ames, Iowa - "Lose yourself in London" (London Again and the same slogan).
  • Miami, Florida- "Discover the mysteries of Berlin"
  • Seoul, South Korea- "The adventure begins here. You have arrived at your ultimate destination." It shows Sydney, Australia and is translated slightly different from Korean.

CHARACTERS

So that's it so far! Let me know at the usual address if I have missed anything, and I'll fill in the blanks. Failing that or any further billboard finds this weekend I'll see you all after Monday's reveal.

Thank-you Rizzia for e-mailing about the Klotho information.
Thanks to Winged_Eel in comments for the confirmation/translation of the Korean on the Portland billboard.

130 comments:

jpike001 said...

howdy...

maven said...

Great summary, Fenris. It's great to have everything in one place. A few typos is the only criticism I have...LOL...I always hit "publish your comment" without proofreading!

pharmacopaeia said...

Thank you Fenris :)

I wonder when the "plane being found off the coast of Bali, all the bodies were there" story comes into play, the one that both Naomi and Locke's father repeat.

memphish said...

At least Firefox catches my obvious misspellings. Great job Fenris.

Ange said...

Really good job Fenris! That must have been a lot of work. It'll be a great reference for later on as well.

Fenris said...

Firefox should catch mine, but for some reason today my built in spell checker is ignoring me. :(

Fortunatly I have Ange to correct it all for me, so just pretend like it was all spelled right to start with. :)

Oh yeah and I was wondering about the plane being found thing too. I did wonder if that was where this was all leading to.

Ange said...

Ange=dorky school teacher and stuff!

Also, I think it was Maven or Jess that said that maybe the plane is so deep that they could view the "wreckage" and "bodies" with deep sea cameras but not get to it. If the Sunda Trench is where the Tsunami came from maybe it dislodged the "wreckage" and will expose the charade.

Wow, who was it that I was talking about that with, because it totally makes sense with where this might be going.

shellma said...

Hi all! Back from Mom's and going to catch up on the blogs!!

scoutpost said...

Fenris, Ange, jess, and others- ditto on the great job on the blog. Thanks for taking up the torch to do this for all of us.

Ange, it WILL be interesting to see if the tsunami will figure into the LOST timeline at all, I know we were talking about this a long time ago (season 2 maybe?). Esp. since they are getting close to the tsunami date on the island timeline- although we really don't know where the island is, or what time it really is there...lol :)

capcom said...

Great job on the summary peeps!!

:-D

maven said...

Maybe Sam and the Christiane 1 get caught in the tsunami.

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shellma said...

Whew!! Caught up!! God what a lot of comments for such little happenings! Man, looks like most of the original gang is back!!!
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy!!
Hi all!! God, I'm so tired I have everyone's theories floating around in my head, and I can't seem to process them all. Going to bed. See you all in the morning.
Thanks Ange, Fenny, Jess and everybody else for all your hard work!

shellma said...

I still want to try and get my t shirt made.....
Maybe tomorrow.....

jess4ua said...

Ange - We had the conversation about the trench being too deep to get to the crash site. We decided that maybe they could fake the crash site with deep water cameras. Also, we talked about how maybe the dead bodies Naomi mentioned are plants that could only be filmed with special equipment, not actually recovered, because the plane is too deeply submerged. Then, that led to you saying maybe the Tsunami dislodges the plane, and blows the whole cover up out of the water. LOL

My theory was that the losties are really dead, and are now fish poop. :)

jess4ua said...

And OH YEAH! Fenris, the summary is awesome! I think it will be great not to have to scroll through all the posts to find things in the future. It is very thorough.

maven said...

I know it's late, and probably no one's here, but there's a post at Dark's saying the Miami billboard has been found; however, there's no picture as of this time.

scoutpost said...

wow Maven, we seem to get on the computer and find stuff at the same time. (Guess it's that west coast thing.) I was just coming here to post about DarkUFO having news on the Miami billboard! lol

maven said...

LOL, Scoutpost!

They say it's the same stewardess as the one in Tustin.

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maven said...

"Discover the Mysteries of Berlin" is the Miami Billboard. There's a long shot of it up at Dark now.

maven said...

Okay, let's see:

Tustin and Miami both have "Discover the Mysteries of Berlin"

New York and Ames both have "Lose Yourself in London"

L.A. has "The Adventure Begins Here (Sydney)"

Sydney has "Fly to LA"
Knoxville has "Find Your Way Back to LA"

Portland has "A New Life Awaits you in Seoul"

I'm guessing the Seoul one mentions Portland somehow?

I'm just trying to see a pattern here. It's late and I'm tired. Goodnight.

Ellen said...

Good Morning all!

I have posted a theory regarding:
Earth's Magnetic Poles, the compass rose and the Switch...here:

http://tiny.cc/LOSTTheory

I believe this is very relevant to the fact that Jack is having trouble returning to the island!

What do you guys think?

::back to lurking::

Ange said...

Morning. The main page is updated with the Miami find. Thanks for the e-mail Maven. I check that before anything :D.

I'm going to get coffee *yawn*, and read Ellen's theory. HI Ellen, it's nice to see someone come out of lurking every now and again.

jess4ua said...

Maven - Thanks for the new Billboard. I can't seem to find any rhyme or reason to the billboards. There are two of each except for Sydney and Seoul. And there are two for places not listed as being serviced. With that, I suppose we the one in Seoul could be to anywhere......

Ellen, I like your theory. Especially the part about there being two sets of losties in different dimensions. I had thought the same thing when Naomi first mentioned they had found dead bodies. I think it is very possible. Thanks for sharing!

experimentalfilm! said...

niiice theory ellen ! complicated scientifically, yet simple at the same time . i think thats what we're looking for in the ultimate theory ... crazy enough to blow our minds, but simple enough for us to understand the concept . i wonder if the theory explains jacob in any sense .

Ellen said...

Hi Ange, Jess4ua & Experimentalfilm!
I hope ya'll are having a good morning and I'd like to thank you for taking the time to read my theory!

I've been following along since the very beginning (TLE1) and I lurk here more than anywhere...I love you guys!

I always welcome all comments and suggestions...

Experimental- perhaps Jacob is "stuck" in the doorway, so to speak...?

xxoo

experimentalfilm! said...

lol yes ellen, something along those lines . but if i try to explain it my way ill get tangled in my words and lost in translation haha so we'll leave it at that .

and thanks for the summary fenris, it really is helpful .

and last but not least: jess:
"My theory was that the losties are really dead, and are now fish poop. :)"
hahahahahahahaaha i love it .

jess4ua said...

EF- ROFL!!!

BarbaraJay said...

Hi! I'm famous! Check out DarkUFO's Find815 home page. I'm credited with a connection between the actor presumed to be Sam (Rodger Corser) and the one who may be Mysterious Green Guy (Aden Young.)

http://find815.blogspot.com/

capcom said...

Morning friends! Hey, I like that theory Ellen. Things being backwards goes way back to that shot of Hurley and Sayid on the beach where the Big Dipper was shown backwards! I posted something about it on my blog, but I didn't give any theories, I was just mentioning that it would be nice to know why this shot was in there, if it indeed was supposed to be noticed and meant to imply something/anything. Heehee, I hope so. I like the whole magnetic pole switching subject, it's kinda scary since we are supposed to be due for one "soon".

shellma said...

Barbarajay: Way to go!
Man it's hard to find a pic of that guy Aden Young!! But it's DEF him!! He's just unknown enough to get the job! lol

Ellen said...

Thank you, Capcom!
I remember reading your post about the big dipper...hmmmm.
That really does seem to help substantiate my theory some.

xxoo

Ange said...

Rizzia e-mailed with some information from wiki on the roots of the name Klotho. I added it to the main page under the existing Zeke Klotho information.

winged_eel said...

Hello, I would like to confirm what it says on the sign in Portland. On the Korean sign it says "keu chung 6 myeong man i" which means roughly "Out of that group 6 only six people"..but who knows it could actually be the name of a shop in Seoul.

Ange said...

Hey winged_eel thanks for the confirmation! I see on your profile that you speak quite a few languages... I'll go ahead and update the text on the main page.

shellma said...

Hmmm...ABC's Lost section is down...I can't access any of their content.

maven said...

Morning all: Looks like what would have been a slow weekend has opened with some lively discussions!

Ellen: Your theory is very tantalizing. Why else would there be that backward compass and the reversed dipper? My head aches thinking about the scientific aspects, but if you take it for what it's worth, it fits into the Lost mythology.

There's also the theory that the trench location of Flight 815 is a massive cover-up by whomever is trying to get control of the island.

Winged Eel: So long since we've heard from you! Your translation just adds to the mystery of the number 6. Some of us know what that might refer to (maybe a spoiler). BTW: Are you looking for the Seoul billboard? LOL

maven said...

Shellma: ABC's page seems to be down for me, too. Maybe they're adding something for Find815? I just get an "OOPS" page.

Fenris said...

Winged Eel! I remember you from the first experience. Hehe, good to see your around to give us the benefit of your translation skills again!

I've been hearing a lot about this magnetic pole switch thing (in real life that is). But I shouldn't worry too much. The Earth is also apparently overdue to be hit by a giant asteroid. But nothing is known for sure with either. Personally I'm just waiting for the universe to blink out of existance followed by the appearance of giant words reading "Level 2".

winged_eel said...

Hello everyone. Yes it has been a long time, I am glad to be back around! Let me know if you need anything!

Unfortunately I am travelling at the moment (I leave for NYC tomorrow) and won't be back in Seoul until the 28th of this month.

I guess everything will be over by then? I just hope I can keep up with this while I am on the move!

maven said...

Winged Eel: Have fun traveling. Maybe you can tell friends and relatives to keep an eye open for the billboard (with their cameras handy)! LOL

Ange said...

Shell: ABC is apparently streaming season 3 of Lost for American ip addresses now. Probably why the Lost section was down for a little bit.

winged_eel said...

Well I will ask some friends to keep an eye out, but don't expect anything! I don't know anyone in Korea who is into Lost.

Something weird...

My password for the pack the bags thing was "Abaddon". I did a quick search but didn't see anything so decided to post it. Does this mean anything?

Ange said...

Winged-eel! Are you saying that you played the Pack Sam's Bag game and that the password you were given was Abaddon not Matthew?

maven said...

Winged Eel: Apparently, Abaddon was the clue word for some areas of the world. It was either Matthew or Abaddon.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Fenris and Ange
You guys are doing a great job on the front page.
That's the best Chapter 1 summary I've seen so far.

winged_eel said...

Hello again!

Ange: Yes my password was "Abaddon".

Maven: Thanks for confirming that!

I am in Canada right now, but I put Asia as my location.

Interesting! I think they are doing a much better job this time around with the logistics of everything, I can't wait to see what happens (I need to hassle my friend tomorrow to see if I can use his computer for a while!)

2costa said...

nice new format fen and ange, i think the fact that they closed the case may show naomi was lying, maybe tied to ben's "every LIVING person on this island is going to die". Perhaps they are trying to convince the 815'ers they are already dead or dead to the world for a purpose, so they wont wanna leave and seize their new lives or so they devalue their lives so they will make better martyrs ala Cooper not caring that sawyer was going to kill him. Plus i think naomi was the only one the explicitely talk about the bodies being found...

2costa said...

i think it's interesting that berlin is added to the hot spots that we were already privy to. Ive heard many rumors about a berlin scene or two in season 4 maybe involving sayid

Ange said...

I guess did see that Abbadon stuff on Dark UFO earlier this week, but I just kinda let it fly by (actually I think I had court that day). So to review, from Maven's wiki link:

*Abaddon can mean destroyer or place of the dead or hell.

*Matthew means gift of the Lord

Weird, and interesting, but I have to go to Wal-Mart (speaking of Hell) so I'll have to ponder that on the way.

Hi Costa! Be careful with your spoiler self now ;)

ib4uc said...

Hey fellow Locos. Just checking in and catching up on things.

Fenris... great job on the summary of events. I agree it's the best I've seen so far!

Ange... yeah, Wal-Mart = Hell

Ange said...

Oh also...THANK-YOU all so much for your kudos, for reading, and mainly for contributing your skills, and knowledge and keeping it fun.

I would like to add and AND JESS to all of the above, because she is working her butt off along with Fenris and I. Hooray Jess!

Sayid'sgirl said...

opps!
Sorry and Hooray Jess!!

Sayid'sgirl said...

That should be oops not opps.
You know the Sunda Trench is in the same general area as Sri Lanka. Where we left off in the first TLE.

takes a village said...

Ellen's theory of 2 sets of Losties, (Remember the two #8 bunnies?)

maven said...

Hahaha...I just got back from Wal-Mart Hell (oh, I mean purgatory! LOL

I had a glimpse of that Berlin connection, 2costa. But I quickly averted my eyes!

I really think that Cooper felt he was in Chucklez' purgatory and he had nothing to lose taunting Locke and Sawyer. He thought he had died in a car accident (which might have been staged by Richard Alpert), and thinking John dead from the plane crash, he was in limbo somewhere.

Ange said...

Sam's online on MySpace...maybe a blog? maybe just adding friends...so that is that.

Wow, it's been nice to know that I am not the only one who dreads a trip to Wal-Mart...poor yellow smile face guy. I actually posted my last comment from iPhone while waiting in line. It took that long!

Carry on...

BarbaraJay said...

My theory about Cooper taunting Sawyer into killing him was that he knew they could use time travel to make more Coopers. So he might have been Cooper #8. I assumed they promised one of the Coopers a lot of money.

Ellen said...

Takes A Village...very good point!
Thanks...

xxoo

Ellen said...

I believe the bunnies that illustrate this principle best are the ones from the Orchid video, #15 and it's twin. Are those the ones you were referring to perhaps?

Once again, it's really good to see all these familiar names!!! Hi Maven!

xxoo

maven said...

Hey, Ellen! I think Bunny #8 was the only one. He was "shaken to death" by Ben to scare Sawyer, and then was shown to Sawyer later to let him know he was tricked. Bunny #15 had the possible clone or double or twin.

Olerica said...

Wahoo! New games afoot. Not anything to contribute but that, unfortunately.

Ellen said...

Yes, Maven, #15's double I believe "popped" into our reality at the wrong time due to human error (people trying to control great power they don't understand).

I have posted a theory regarding:
Earth's Magnetic Poles, the compass rose and the Switch...here:

http://tiny.cc/LOSTTheory

I believe this is very relevant to the fact that Jack is having trouble returning to the island!

What do you think?

::back to lurking::

Ange said...

There's a new mail on find815...I think, it's not marked as unread but it is Sam on his way. Also I have 2 Chapter 2s in My Progress but am unable to open either to see if a mail is released.

Fenris said...

Yeah, odd one. We haven't had chapter 2 opened up, but there is a new mail.

Fenris said...

Hmm, I think the Christiane 1 may be trying to find the wreckage of the Black Rock.

Sayid'sgirl said...

I agree Fenris
I asked that back when we found out it was a salvage ship searching for a wreck.

maven said...

I have two files for Chapter 2 and neither one will open! Glitch-city again?

Anyway, I read the email. So Christiane 1 has something to do with Black Rock. Sam is in Darwin now, with iffy internet connections. He has a sat phone (like Naomi?). Holden must be Tracey's dog (related to Vincent?).

maven said...

Darwin is the capitol city of the Northern Territory of Australia.

Fenris said...

Right that's me done for the night. Thanks everyone for the compliments. See you all tomorrow.

Ange is just updating the front page with the email info.

shellma said...

Actually I got that the other day...the 2 chapter 2 thingy...
Figured..there they go again. NOt getting it now. Or the email.
Can I claim first FU with the maxwell group website fiasco??? :))

maven said...

Night, Fenris.

Wonder why they're releasing stuff on the weekend, when they said it's only Mon-Fri? Oh, well, we shouldn't complain, right?!?!

Now I only have one Chapter 2 file, but it won't open either. Strange.

shellma said...

Sorry, I do have the email!!

Ange said...

Maven: I think Ch. 2 not opening and there not being an actual e-mail indicator mark next to the mail might mean we're not really supposed to "find" this yet. It's maybe like Sam's bag...okay if we do, but not really going to make a difference until they want it to.

maven said...

Ange: Probably right. Another glitch.

Not much to really research besides seeing where Darwin is. Tracey probably will email him back with some info she dug up...wonder where she's doing her research...lol.

shellma said...

Yeah Ange, I read the email and it still says 1 unread no matter what I do. I'm sure it's another oops!

maven said...

Now didn't we help Sam pack his bag and put in the cell phone. Where'd he get a sat phone? Did he borrow it from Naomi?

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Ange said...

I wonder if Trace will leave him a voice mail on his cellphone? I looked but nothing there yet. Although that way mum's pops on and off you never know.

And Darwin seems inconsequential maybe. Unless there is a real world clue that we might find there. He is really just on a connection lay over to Jakarta.

maven said...

I have Unread 1 Total 10

shellma said...

Mav.....there was a sat phone too.
Hey! Getting something weird on the desk.
Next tot he push pin box there is a white strip thingy. If you scroll over it it says "Video Diary 1"

takes a village said...

Ellen,
yeah,sorry,wrong number;but that's what I was referring to.

takes a village said...

The Orchid video.

Ellen said...

Takes A Village-
I thought so! No worries, I just appreciate the fact that you all read my theory!!

I'll probably refine it over the days to come. Been watching the last four eps of each season this weekend, just to make sure I can remember some things in preparation for the upcoming (squeeee...) season!

Take care!

xxoo

maven said...

Shell: I think I saw somewhere that is a video cassette that plays the Diary also.

jess4ua said...

Hey Everyone,

Wow, I am very surprised, as I said I would be, that something happened tonight. I wonder if that email is supposed to be there too! LOL

I agree that the Christiane I is looking to salvage the Black Rock. My question is why???
What could possibly be on an old slave ship that they are after now?
Is it just that the Christiane I searches for old, lost ships? I think there is probably more to it then that.
Have they been hired by someone who knows something about the Black Rock that we don't know yet?
Just a few thoughts! Hope everyone has had a good weekend.

maven said...

Here's a thought: What if there's two Black Rocks? The one we know and love on the island, and the one the Christiane 1 is going to salvage in the trench? Some of us are saying there are two parallel timelines: one with the Losties (and the Black Rock) on the island and one with them dead in the trench with another Black Rock. Ouch, my head hurts.

Ellen said...

I know what you mean, Mav!

Sometimes it very easy to get all wound up in circles when thinking about time/space, parallel universes, etc!

xxoo

winged_eel said...

I am going to be really choked if this guy turns out to be Alvar Hanso's son. ;)

winged_eel said...

Ames, Iowa anagrams to

A Sea I Mow.

Hmmmmm...conspiracy?!!?!

Seriously, I could not be more bored.

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Ange said...

Part of that last comment was a tad ARG spoilery so I edited it a touch :D.

Carol Dunstan said...

A real world clue in Darwin would be freaky... too bad I don't know anyone there at the moment (have a cousin outside of Darwin but I think she's travelling at the moment). And can I just say that Tracey's and Darwin and summer are not a good combination??? (Cyclone Tracey hit Darwin on Christmas Eve in 1974). I think it's just Sam on his way to Jakarta (but then I haven't double checked flights).

Something I remember from the previous game, The Black Rock was supposed to be in the Indian Ocean but was doing some extra slave trading it appeared and was going via PNG (I think... there was something about PNG and the Black Rock). If they're looking for it in the trench then that suggests they don't think it even got as far as PNG. And I know 815 was thousands of miles off course, but I just can't help thinking they're on the wrong side of Aus if the trench is involved

Carol Dunstan said...

oops, I was just thinking over how we were playing it here... obviously much like the last one. Sorry chief!

Been doing a little more digging. Obviously his flights are like the websites on his computer and non-existent in the real world... either the Garuda website doesn't want to play fair or they don't do a Darwin to Jakarta flight, and they are the only current company to fly to both places. All other current carries have Bali as their Indonesian destination. Can't think of a way to check flights from 3 years ago given that it looks like this is supposed to be in line with the show time wise. I know, none of that was likely to be of any help but I thought I'd check it out for curiosities sake

scoutpost said...

Wow- there's a lot to catch up on today. Guess I'll get started.

The_Ambster said...

Per Pharma's comment regarding "the plane being found off the coast of Bali, all the bodies were there"...

I have been wondering the same thing! Writer's strike glitch maybe?!?

Fenris...the recap is GREAT!

chucklez3 said...

oh and there's a cityscape in the reflection in the water on the promo for lost.

fyi. don't know if it's been discussed.

scoutpost said...

Wow I just read Ellen's theories and the stuff on that other message board - and I likey the stuff about the parallel universes and the mirror image! It sure makes sense in light of all the Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass stuff, and even would finally tie in the "bad twin" effect. Not to mention what Desmond was experiencing. hmmmm....it's fun although mind jamming to think about.

chucklez3 said...

so.........on the island, the four-toed statue is the "alternate reality" version of the statue of liberty????

haha..........wait, should i be laughing or fighting off the "voices"???

i'm losing it here.

i'm thinking that the reflection in the water is symbolic of the new "flash-forwards" to what each decision may change to an "undecided future".

hmmm.......sounds like the title of a book i should write. hahaha.....

chucklez3 said...

did i mention i'm getting a personalized plate for my car that reads, "FIND815" this week???

suh-weet!

scoutpost said...

fight off the voices chuclez, fight off the voices...LOL.

Maybe someone should go count the Statue of Liberty's toes.

scoutpost said...

Oh it's late and my brain is barely working (although it barely works at any time of day!)- And kids go back to school tomorrow, so off to bed for me.

Ange said...

Good Morning. The Korean billboard has been found (sorry winged_eel. It's in Korean and it was posted on Dark UFO. The main page has been updated with the information, as well as the side links to the images, and the billboard post. Thanks Rizzia for e-mailing!
Have a great day everyone!

BarbaraJay said...

My daughter saw a TV ad for Oceanic Airlines on VH1 last night around 3 am. Does ABC own VH1?

Ange said...

barbarajay: I did a quick google search, VH1 is owned by Viacom, while ABC is owned by Disney ABC-Television Group (but we knew that:D ).

Lost 2010 said...

ellen-

So here's a thought, if there's an alternate universe - maybe it wasn't the exact same people on the plane in that version. Maybe some of the 324 passengers are the same but some of the others have a 'bad twin' still out there in the alternate universe. Maybe there's a balance that says if you die in one you have to die in the other - thus death chasing Charlie. But if your counterpart was willing (or tricked)to switch places with you, you could cross the equal sign in the equation.

Ellen said...

Lost2010-
good thought! I think that may be possible, and I think Dharma may have discovered that possiblity (hence the "magic box"). I think that's why the freighter is there, to protect Dharma's interests in controlling the gateway between universes. I updated my theory to include the function of the Swan station...

http://tiny.cc/LOSTTheory

Ange said...

Yeah, I have nothing to say, I just wanted comment 108.

Ellen said...

Ange-! (chuckles!)

Thanks for the kudos, by the way!


xxoo

shellma said...

Good morning all!
10 hours to go until update....
Although we could still get other things in between like last week....

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Maven, and everyone else: According to Doc Jensen's new column, he states fairly assuredly that the 12/28/07 date on the Oceanic press release is a continuity error. I think, if he's got inside info on this, that it was meant to be 12/28/04.

I have to say, though--as a fan of the Gears' Anasazi Trilogy, that a parallel past-and-present timeline would be pretty cool. And quite the mindfck, as would befit the S3 finale.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Ah, and something else I never put together until Doc's column (and he didn't quite put it all the way together either): Thomas, the biblical character, has the full name of Thomas Didymus. Didymus means "twin."

In fact, the Anglicized name Thomas is derived from the Aramaic word for "twin" as well. There are no definitive illustrations of the identity of the other half of the twin pairing.

But lastly, in the Book of Thomas (Nag Hammadi apocryphal, not a lost Gospel, just a book), Jesus himself speaks the following words to Thomas:

"Now, since it has been said that you are my twin and true companion, examine yourself, and learn who you are, in what way you exist, and how you will come to be."

MINDFCK!

shellma said...

Geez Kyle....not so early in the morning... ;) My brain hasn't had enough coffee yet!

Oh well, Ange: I'm off to Hell-Mart!

capcom said...

Interesting thoughts everyone. Tickticktick...so here we wait for the next clue.

Good guess on the actual press release date TBP. That certainly would make more sense.

The cityscape reflection was discussed over at DarkUFO (where else?!) when that promo first showed up. I'm sure that it wouldn't be too difficult to find the comments about it if you're interested Chucklez. I think that they also turned it upside down, manipulated the colors, etc. Flipped, it looks as if the headless SOL from Cloverfield is on the side. :-)

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Sorry shell! It was almost 10AM for me when I made that post. I was near the bottom of my coffee by that point.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Find815 was number 6 in TV Guide's Top 10 stories.

OT Is anyone else having trouble with blogger not letting you change you avatar? I deleted my old one and now it won't except a new url. I want my Sayid pic back. :(

Ange said...

Kyle: This is s total drive by comment, but I really like where you are going with the biblical twin ideas.

I have long thought that Ben is a twin and we just don't know it yet. I have been shouting about that over on TLC for a few seasons.

I think the quote you mentioned from the book of Thomas is especially interesting. Almost like the "twins" are one being and need to know the other in order to know their full self. Also, with the Matthew and Abaddon passwords, I think it is worth having a look at all things biblical, good and evil, and two sided.

sayid'sgirl: Have you switched your blogger account over to a google one officially? I found that when I did that a while ago it solved all of my format issues.

chucklez: As always you are making me giggle. NEVER stop listening to the voices...it's just too god when you do!

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

So, Ange, the question is this: Is Sam the twin, or is his name just a signifier like Desmond's or Locke's? I'm inclined to believe the latter, in which case you could be right about Ben being 1/2 of a twin set.

Which, of course, begs the question: is there a second half? Or is he as schizo as his performance in Jacob's cabin made Locke believe?

(sorry for all the non-Find 815 chatter!)

capcom said...

Ange, TBP, the good and bad twin talk reminds me of that Star Trek ep where Cap'n Kirk got split into too Kirks...the whiney weak good Kirk, and the mean strong bad Kirk. Could they be going here? Two Bunny-15s? One bad (like the Monty Python bunny!) who chewed off Dr. Candlewaxwick's arm, and one good one? Half-JK here.

I guess that we have nada else to talk about till we get a new clue and post. :-)

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

capcom: Will we be seeing a Ben with no glasses and a black goatee in S4?

Ange said...

Kyle/Capcom: I actually think there is a second half...but that they live as one person, and kinda switch as needed. It would indeed present as a bit schizo. So what I'm saying is that the twin thing could be possible, and freaky, and weird without actually being a sci fi event (although I'm not ruling that out either).

capcom said...I guess that we have nada else to talk about till we get a new clue and post.
Hmmm...the colors of the Oceanic billboars are pretty huh?

BarbaraJay said...

I took a look at the biblical Matthew and Abaddon.

Abaddon was the angel of the fiery pit in Revelation 9.
http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation9.htm

And Matthew did some prophesizing about the End of Days in the Gospel According to Matthew 24.
http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/matthew/matthew24.htm

And just because it was there, here is a wiki about a comic book with characters named Matthew and Abaddon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Llanso

espiao said...

Miami bilboard vandalized
http://find815.blogspot.com/
Nice picture, my guess is pure marketing

scoutpost said...

No apologies necessary Kyle. It's really exciting to get back into all the LOST talk.

You have to admit that TPTB sure are sending us a lot of hints at mirror imaging/twin stuff. Although not all the dots are connected, they sure seem to be connecting some along those lines. I think it's a pretty cool scenario. It will just be interesting to see if that's the way it turns out. You would think that they wouldn't tip their hand too much, although you have to wonder if the average LOST watcher even notices or is aware of the things we've been talking about. I know some people wouldn't have a clue about all this stuff.

I guess I'll go check out FIND815 now, although I'm not getting my hopes up for anything new. I wish there were more to it like there was in TLE.

scoutpost said...

Ha! Ben with a black goatee (a la Dr. Spock) would be so funny- and I'm not sure at that point which Ben would be creepier.

jess4ua said...

Espiao - Thanks for that info on the Miami billboard. That is very intersting. At Darkufo there is a post of the Miami billboard that has find815.com in graffiti for those of you who haven't seen it yet. I wonder if TPTB were waiting for us to find all of the billboards before they started a new step. I would be interested in finding out if the other billboards are getting the same new look. Of course, this could just be the work of vandals?


Hi everyone else!!! I am trying to get all of my chores done before the clock hits 0 tonight!

The twin idea makes my brain hurt. There are so many things pointing in that direction. I am always thinking about who, why, and how it could be. Maybe we will get some real hints to that in S4.

experimentalfilm! said...

the miami graffiti is so badass . not really vandalism obviously but still cool .

Ange said...

Just a quick comment before I hit the gym...the "graffiti" on the Miami billboard looks similar (not exactly) like the image Sam uses for he Facebook 815 group. I'll link to the image Here so you can see it otherwise you need a Facebook and to be logged in to view.

jess4ua said...

NEW POST!!!!!

In preparation for tonight. I also posted a comparison of the graffiti in an update.

shellma said...

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