Thursday, 10 January 2008

Chapter 2- Did you hear what I heard?

1/11/08 Video Diary: "There's nothing to find here."


Sam has given us his second video diary. In it he looks weary, seems discouraged, and tells us, "I think I have made a big mistake."
  • He gives his location as: 300 KM off Indonesian coast at the Sunda Trench (which is 7,000 meters deep in places).
  • The video is skippy with horizontal lines across it. There are several blips where something is visible in the frames of the video (see the shots above). One blip contains the words shipwreck, Black Rock, and salvage while a second is a blip of the Oceanic Air commercial.
  • He references the Maxwell Group e-mail with it's "incomprehensible numbers", and can't make sense of it. He wonders if someone is playing a trick on him because he was "...mouthing off on TV ," and he thinks he should get off at the next port.
1/10/08 Clue:

Tonight's update gives us: 2 Web Sites, 5 e-mails, and 1 voicemail.

Web Sites:
The first is the Black Rock site which we had an accidental preview of earlier.
  • The site outlines the history of the ship mentioning that it collected gold from mines in Papua New Guinea.
  • Instead of sailing west to Africa it went easterly and was never seen again.
The second is about Amelia Earhart. It outlines her biography and is also missing three images at the bottom of the page.
  • 1928- She was first woman to fly across the Atlantic.
  • 1932- She repeated the flight solo.
  • 1937- She attempted a mission as the first woman to fly around the world.
  • On July 2 of that year she and her navigator Fred Noonan disappeared en route from Lae, New Guinea to Howland Island in the Pacific.
  • Her body and plane have never been recovered
E-Mails:
  • Sent: Sam writes to the Broadcasting Authority. He inquires about any radio documentaries about Amelia Earhart's disappearance broadcast in the last few days .
  • Inbox: The Broadcasting Authority replies stating that there were no records of the transmission that Sam heard. They cite amateur radio enthusiasts, who tend to broadcast materials including historical recordings, as the likely explanation.
  • Sent: Sam writes to Tracey, telling her that the camera she lent him is "playing up" and it's interfering with the playback heads and affecting the motor drive.
  • Inbox: Tracey replies saying the camera was working when she last had it.
  • Inbox: Tracey writes giving Sam information about the Black Rock. The information is consistent with the voicemail she left with clues for the Black Rock trivia game.
    • It also confirms that the Christaine 1 is indeed going to look for the Black Rock
Voicemail from Mum:
  • She is wondering why he hasn't called her back.
  • Apparently he hasn't told her that he has left for the Sunda Trench as she went to his place and he wasn't there.
  • She's worried that he hasn't been himself and that he might do something "silly".
And Also:
Finally, something interesting comes in an e-mail to Oceanic Conspiracies, from korijane. Attached was a picture of yesterday's Season 1 Clue. Could this be the temple that Ben is leading everyone to?

104 comments:

maven said...

Repost: With Allied Copenhagen Marine Merchants in Trace's email re the Black Rock, we have a real tie-in with TLE1.

Am I first?

Ellen said...

Did the last email from korijane show up on find815, cause it doesn't show up for me and every box is green except for 1 video in the progress bar....


xxoo

maven said...

Ellen: I think that was something that was discussed on DarkUFO, not something on Find815.

jess4ua said...

Ellen - I think I saw it posted on Darkufo today. However, it is in the picture of one of the clues in Sam's Cabin from the hunt yesterday on Find815.com. It is a picture hanging in the bathroom part of Sam's Cabin. I hope that helps.

Ellen said...

Thank you Maven and Jess! I feel better...got "Lost" there for a second! (chuckles...) Are we all alone in here tonight?
xxoo

maven said...

As a "Mum"...why, oh why, doesn't Sam call back his Mum? LOL

jess4ua said...

Maven - LOL. I have really been wondering why those voicemails are even there. They seem kind of pointless so far, maybe the comic relief. hehehe

Ellen said...

I think Sam's Mum sounds like Sam Toomey's wife in S3E10 (Tricia Tanaka is Dead)when Hurley was talking with her about the numbers....
xxoo

Sayid'sgirl said...

I don't believe it. I'm sitting here watching the late news on a Columbus Ohio station and they are talking about the billboards.
They showed the one in Iowa and said the cops were called in due to the graffiti on it and then found out it was part of an online game.

jess4ua said...

Sayid's girl - that is hilarious. ROFL!

maven said...

That's soooo funny, Sayid's girl!

Ellen said...

Sayid's Girl- how funny!!!
xxoo

maven said...

Well, I guess tomorrow we only have a Video Diary for Chapter 2 to look forward to.

scoutpost said...

Well that "temple" or whatever it is, is very interesting- I wonder what that is?

2nd- this occurred to me earlier but I forgot about asking it- I realize that the Sunda stories probably doesn't include every vessel or weird thing that has happened, but interesting that there is no mention of a scientific research ship going missing in the 80's (which would describe Danielle's boat).

maven said...

Scoutpost: That would have been really cool if that was on the list!

maven said...

See ya guys tomorrow...watching a new Grey's and ER!

Patch said...

Sam's mum is a terrible actor. Her voice makes me cringe! *lol*

Ellen- That could be why she reminds you of Sam Toomey's wife. They both have atrocious Aussie accents and are bad actors.

Patch said...

Night Maven. :)

Carol Dunstan said...

When I first heard Sam's mum I thought it was Pauline Hanson...

following on from th ecomments to the previous post, I am pretty sure it wasn't the Triangle between Japan and stuff that I am thinking of... I remember all these points around the globe kinda connected to form a pretty regular grid...

another comment was that Cooper said the plane crashed into the Pacific, which contradicts what Naomi said. That makes it all the more interesting to me... and why weren't the Losties asking how the heck the plane had got so far off course and noone noticed going over FNQ (Far North Queensland) or Papua.

Ange said...

sayid's girl: Too bad you didn't DVR that newscast. How funny!

Jess/Maven: The thing with "mum" is really silly isn't it? Unless it's there to show us that Sam isn't acting quite right,. I mean who jets off to Jakarta and doesn't tell their mum?

scoutpost: It doesn't seem that Sunda Stories mentions a small sailing craft lost during an around the world race either. You'd think someone would notice that.

Carol: Dedjezter had an idea about how the plane got so off course in the last thread...I'll paste some if I get time later. But yeah, that still doesn't explain how they got from the Pacific to where we think they might be now.

So we can speculate that the mention of the camera acting up is there to make us go, "OH that's why the video is glitchy." BUT it still doesn't explain why there was a frame of Mr. Talbot when Sam hadn't even met him yet. Does this show us that Tracey has met and/or filmed him before? Or is this just another example of strange electromagnetic happenings?

Carol Dunstan said...

I did read the explaination of how they could possibly be off course, but yeah... the Sunda Trench is stretching it. I just can't help thinking that like the last game this one is going to have a whole lot of hints that make us think of the island but we ain't gonna end up there. Whether we find the fake crash (if there really is one) or Sam at least finds out where it is I really don't know. This game is all about that being the pay off and I just don't know that we are going to get it. Expect the unexpected.

jess4ua said...

Ange said - So we can speculate that the mention of the camera acting up is there to make us go, "OH that's why the video is glitchy." BUT it still doesn't explain why there was a frame of Mr. Talbot when Sam hadn't even met him yet. Does this show us that Tracey has met and/or filmed him before? Or is this just another example of strange electromagnetic happenings?

I don't really think Sam mentioning the camera messing up has to do with the last video. He sent that video before he left for Jakarta. I think he is talking about the present time while he is on the Christiane 1, just as another reference to the fact that electronics get screwy in that area.

Maven - I think you are right, we will probably just get a recap video of everything from this week tonight. sigh

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

I think, if all that's left is a video, we're going to see something huge. Maybe not "it's a lion"-huge, but meaningful-huge. Sam will have applied a temporary fix to the camera, and will record something that will either be totally fascinating to both us and him, or just to us.

And then the video is going to cut out.

Sayid'sgirl said...

Ok the email Sam sent to Tracey asking her to find out about Talbot is missing. But her reply is still there. Only the subject has been changed from you owe me big to Watch it First Mate! Which had been the first sentence in her email.
Is this just something glitchy or does it mean something?

Sayid'sgirl said...

Kyle
"it's a lion"- huge lol
They'll never live that down will they?

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Now that the Cloverfield PTB have taken note of the silliness of that interpretation, no, they'll never live it down!

Sayid'sgirl said...

You know after the information about Amelia Earhart and her navigator Fred Noonan. It made me think that maybe they might be our Adam and Eve.
Would the time line be right? I can't remember how long Jack said they may have been there.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

sayid'sgirl: You're on a hot path there. Others (not THE Others, but y'know) have thought the same thing about Adam and Eve.

TPTB have said that they're very important to establishing a mythological timeline on the Island. Your theory is my favorite one so far.

Sayid'sgirl said...

I just check my DVD Jack said they had probably been there 40 or 50 years based.
That would make to in the mid 50's but we do have that strange movement of time on the island. The decomposition may take longer.

Sayid'sgirl said...

I was going to say based on the deterioraton of there clothes. I was going re word it but didn't finish the sentence.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Here's an interesting tidbit:

On the same day Find 815 launched, the FBI Field Office in Portland, OR, "reopened" the case (it never technically closed) on D.B. Cooper, the airline hijacker who vanished with over $200,000, after jumping out of a 727 with a dummy parachute in a nighttime downpour.

maven said...

Morning all: Maybe the emails about the camera not working properly is a set up for something happening during the video diary of Chapter 2 tonight. Either more glitches or more ghost images....we can only hope it will give us something to go on all weekend! LOL

As far as Cooper saying he heard the wreckage was found in the Pacific vs. Naomi's description: Cooper was pretty stressed at that point (understatement) and just blurted out Pacific Ocean since he was on a tropical isle. Just a thought. Naomi had much more detailed info (probably as part of her lie).

Sam, call your Mum...please!

scoutpost said...

LOL Maven!...Yes Sam should call his mum!!

Re: Cooper's "pacific ocean" response-
I know we are all looking at globes and maps to determine what is Pacific Ocean and what is Indian Ocean, and where the heck Papua New Guinea is, and where exactly Sumatra is, etc. So Cooper could be like all of us "dumb" Americans and just know that the plane crashed somewhere on the other side of the world (and Pacific Ocean is the easiest response).

shellma said...

I'm sure this has been re-hashed before(SeE I had this kid, and he stole all my brain cells..), but have TPTB(I'm being NICE today) confirmed that time moves differently on the island?

Ellen said...

Maven, Scoutpost- what you're saying about Cooper's response makes a lot of sense! You're probably right.
Kyle-wow, never heard that particular news before. Very interesting.

How are you guys today?

xxoo

Ellen said...

Shellma- you too! Greetings-
I think they have confirmed that time does indeed move differently on the island, but not sure when or where yet.

On another note, it seems a very weird coincidence that HG's balloon and all the pregnancy tests, etc. all are made by Widmore Corp. I wonder if Widmore is part owner or a member of the board of Oceanic Airlines....

abbyabitha said...

Everytime I log into Find815.com my progress is gone. I dont see that anyone else has complained about this but I have had to redo everything several times and I am getting quite irritated. Any suggestions cause at this point I may just read this blog. Thanks for your input!

Sayid'sgirl said...

abbyabitha
Did you register with a login name and password?
If so I'm not sure. Maybe clearing your cookies.
I'm not real computer savy.

Ellen said...

abby- try clearing your cache in your browser...then log onto find815. Hope that helps!

And please, keep reading! This is the best blog on the internet...

Sayid'sgirl said...

Hey ellen
I've been meaning to say that sure is a sweet little baby on your avatar.

abbyabitha said...

How do I clear the cache'? I do have a log in and password. It is weird because it just doesnt save my progress. I looked for an option to save it but no luck. I am sort of irritated because I loved the Lost ARG 1 and I really havent been able to participate in this. Boohoo;)

takes a village said...

abbyabitha;
After I cleared my cookies and temp. internet files I lost my progress too; but the next time I logged in it was all green again,and no problems since.It is discouraging after all that work.I hope it gets fixed for you soon.Maybe you have an Evil Twin password.

I did see the Temple in that picture,but was so busy finding the other clues,I forgot about it.

takes a village said...

go to control panel.
Then to network & internet connections.Click on internet options...box should appear.
Click on internet files. click delete.

Ellen said...

Thank you Sayid'sgirl!!! I'm a proud gramma now...her name is Kayla Marie.

Abby-what browser do you use? I use Internet Explorer usually, but for the game I use Firefox because it has more functionality for me.

If IE, do this:
Click on Tools, Internet Options, General Tab, Browsing History, Delete.

If Firefox,

Click on Tools, Clear Private Data

Hope this helps!
xxoo

DeDJeZTeR said...

ANGE said:
"How come I can never get my thoughts in a single post? Mommy brain strikes again! If these theories are true, then that would place it on the timeline between seasons 3 and 4, right?."

My thoughts are that this is actually happening around the last 5 - 6 episodes of season three. The freighter is alraedy almost there and the Christaine I is just setting out. So the freighter will take up the first couple of episodes and then the Chris I will show up later in the season...

If they are connected that is.

Amused2bHere said...

I saw the temple too! I hope they go there in S4 and even if they don't explain it, we'll get to see it (more grist for the myth mills!)

jess4ua said...

I was just reading over at Darkufo ....and I know someone here mentioned it (who was that?)....about Amelia and Fred being Adam and Eve on the island. I like that idea, but I think there is just one problem. The women cannot carry babies to term.
Although that doesn't mean that they are not Adam and Eve. I suppose that they could have been having kids, and those kids having kids, etc. and then something could have happened on the island that put a halt to it.
Just thinking about it....also I hunted for a conversation about this here and couldn't find it. Sorry if had has already been discussed.

Sayid'sgirl said...

jess4ua
I mentioned that earlier this morning. Not sure if anyone else here has discussed it or not.
I don't know the idea just pop into my head after reading the Amelia Earhart stuff that she and her navigator could be our Adam and Eve.
Although Jack had said they had been there 40 or 50 years we do have that unusual time thing going on, on the island. If Amelia had crashed on the island 67 years ago. But I guess they could have survived awhile before they died.

jess4ua said...

Sayid's girl- Thanks, I knew I read it somewhere. Now I remember, because I was looking into electromagnetism and anti - aging. I have read a few articles that say, theoretically, that electromagnetic energy can increase how often your DNA spins keeping you from aging. Apparently the older you get the slower it spins. I don't know if any of the articles have any real backing. But anyone interested can just google it. That would be cool if Amelia Earhart is in the Other's camp.
Also in the Darkufo post, it is mentioned that the skeltons in the cave could be Amelia and Fred. I personally hope if they are there, they are still alive. But I suppose that could be them in the cave.

capcom said...

I think that DarkUFO needs to have a voting contest now on which Amelia story people want: Amelia the cave skeleton, or Amelia the living Other. :o) I think I'd vote for the live one. Then the skeletons could be saved for something even weirder, like it being a couple of the Losties.

Sayid'sgirl said...

capcom
I think I'd vote for the skeletons.
Having a live Amelia after all this time is more weird to me. But maybe not as werid as the skeletons being a couple of Lostes. Besides what happened to her navigator? Maybe he was dragged into the polar bear cave.;)

capcom said...

Maybe we just haven't met Fred yet?! :-D

Or, he died in the crash. Or, he died of his alleged alcoholism. Or, he died in Room 23. The possiblities are endless, heheh.

Maybe I just want Amelia to be alive so we can ask her why the hell she pulled off her largest radio antenna and ditched the survival gear before that last trip against all recommendations, refused to properly learn radio and Morris code, etc., etc. Those are the big mysteries to me in her story.

capcom said...

Oops, I meant Morse. :-B

maven said...

Well, TPTB are sure dropping hint after hint about Amelia, aren't they? We have Amelia from the Book Club, the airport anagram to Earhart Aviation, this broadcast from 1937 with Sam and him looking up info about her on findoutpedia.com She has to show up somehow in the show...whether it's Amelia from the Book Club or Eve in the cave. I would like her to be alive and not the skeleton (she must be drinking the same stuff Richard Alpert has been).

Waiting patiently for a glitch-free video download on Find815 in 2 1/2 hours!

shellma said...

Campoop....since there have been extremist overachieving athlete types since day one.
Take the Everest idiots. They refuse to wear the GPS beacons that could save their lives because it's not "survivalist" enough. Yet hundreds of thousands of dollars every year are spent on S&R to look for them!! *end of rant* (sorry just a peeve of mine)

capcom said...

Right Maven, TPTB don't usually hit us over the head with clues so much, like with this one!

Seriously Shellma? Wow, they should be signing some kind of waver before they go up...kind of like a DNR. They should have to tough it out like the Donner party if that's the way they want it.

shellma said...

Yes. There has actually been talk of short term insurance type policies. Which I think is a great idea.

maven said...

Over ITE, they've pointed out that there is something red under the manifest on Sam's desk. Has that always been there?

jess4ua said...

Maven - I don't remember that being there before. And my desk has just switched back to boat desk. Wonder what it is. I tried zooming in on it, but I still can't make it out.

Ellen said...

Maven,
I looked over at DUFO and there's not one screencap of Sam's Desk on the boat!!! I can't verify what you're asking....maybe ange or Fenris or someone has a screen cap or something.
Wishing I could answer....
xxoo

jess4ua said...

I have a screenshot, that I think has the corner of that red thing in it from a couple of days ago. I will post both pics on photobucket and give you a link to check it out. Hold on.

jess4ua said...

Actually, a little bird just told me that there is a pic of it on the front page! It was there.

maven said...

I know I could count on you guys to answer that! Thanks, Jess.

maven said...

I can't believe they allowed a pic to be posted to the Flickr account of a butt shot with a thong! (Don't tell the guys!)

Ange said...

Hey Gang...I have been looking at the pic of the desktop, since it has come up, and I think the thing under the passenger list is a folded up map of some kind. Something like THIS maybe?

maven said...

Whoop-de-doo! Didn't find out much more...hes 300 km off the coast of Indonesia looking for a needle in a haystack (the Black Rock in waters 7,000 meters deep). Poor Sam, he looks so discouraged. About as discouraged as we are!

ib4uc said...

Did you see the 'blip' of the Oceanic commercial in the video?

maven said...

At least there were no problems getting the video loaded tonight! That's something!

ib4uc said...

And my subtitles are from the video diary 1 ?!?!?

maven said...

Yes, I just noticed that the subtitles did not go with this video. In fact when he begins to wonder what he's doing there, etc., there are no more subtitled.

Ange said...

Sam says he received "ANOTHER" e-mail from the Maxwell Group with "incomprehensible numbers. There isn't one in the inbox, but it makes me think we'll be getting out log in info for the Maxwell site next week.

Ditto on the subtitles, and also ib4uc where did you see the blip?

Patch said...

Well, he thinks the Black Rock will lead him nowhere and doesn't see a point to that clue. If he gets off at the next Port like he says he will, I wonder where it will be?

maven said...

Ange: I thought the same thing at first...that there must be another Maxwell Group email. But the first one he got was the jumbled letters with the website url hidden in it, and the second one was the numbers. At least that's how I see it. Unless, there will be another one from the unknown source with more "grayed" number coordinates next week.

Sayid'sgirl said...

This probably a dumb question. But is there any way those numbers 3000 kilometers off the coast of Indonesia and 7000 meters deep in points. Combined with the numbers from the email be able to pin point where he is. Assuming the email numbers are latitude.

Patch said...

I saw the Oceanic commercial blip. There was other stuff too I think, but I have no idea what it was.

ib4uc said...

The blip is right when he says the Christiane 1 is searching for a slave trading ship, maybe 1/3 of the way into the video.

maven said...

Right, Patch. What port would he get off in? What's around there, and would it mean anything to our story? I think something's going to happen Monday that will change his mind and keep him on board!

Sayid'sgirl said...

maven
You're probably right we will get a second set of numbers.
Patch
Good question. You wouldn't think there would be to many ports out there.

Patch said...

Maven, I think he'll stay on board too.
I do think the second email he's talking about is the numbers. I'm pretty sure he said he's 300 kilome tres from the Indonesian coast not 3,000.

The numbers from the email could read -11.1784 if you include the punctuation. Could be a map reading or part of one I guess.

maven said...

They're trying to get screen grabs of the blips on Dark right now.

I wonder if he recorded over the Oceanic stuff, and that's why we saw a glimpse of it? Hahaha

Patch said...

*lol* Maven, that would make sense!

maven said...

When Sam looks over to the computer screen and he's talking about the Maxwell Group numbers, can anyone make out if it's actually showing what we saw? I can't.

Sayid'sgirl said...

patch
Oops you're right it's 300 not 3000.

Ange said...

We got the commercial blip and the word blip up on the main page. Jess and I were working hard for YOU!

Ange said...

Dang, we almost had them up first...we took too long with our screen cap skills I guess. Poo on pausing frame by frame, I need to get me some fancy software!

Ellen said...

Ange & Jess- thank you so much for your hard work! You guys are great....
xxoo

maven said...

It amazes me how you guys are always here when we need you! You're ery appreciated, Ange and Jess, and of course, sleeping Fenris!

shellma said...

Mav..are you on any im's?
For that matter, any of you guys want to im, I'm:
Shellma4lost on Yahoo and
actually...I'm not sure what it would be for MSN...mcshellma@hotmail.com?

shellma said...

and Ellen, your granddaughter is ADORABLE!

shellma said...

Ugh...seem like I am the tumbleweed that blows through.
Then everyone else is gone...

DeDJeZTeR said...

HOLY COW!!!!

I don't know if anyone has seen these yet, but I have not seen mention of it it yet.

At 1:11:11 a.m. Eastern Time
On the SciFi channel, during Ghosthunters International, they just played an Oceanic Airlines commercial. The same one from the website. At the bottom of the screen there was the FOA web addy and it flickered twice to show
www.find815.com

DeDJeZTeR said...

They just did it again at 1:32:00 a.m.

DeDJeZTeR said...

Okay, was the FOA.com sitee hacked with the Sam video before tonight? I only saw it once from somwhere other than my house when it first went up, but haven't been back until just now, I figured with the commercial, maybe something would be different, Is it, or did I just miss the whole video thing that is there?

chucklez3 said...

ideas for custom license plates for my car?? anyone??

in homage to our "family" (fans of lost and the "experiences")??

let's see.....

EKOLIVS
LOSTFAN
JOOP105
PRGATRY
A HANSO
FIND815
FSHBSCT
3RDISLE
ABCLOST
BADROBT
CHUCKLZ
PODCAST
WIDMORE
DHARMA
NAMASTE???


and i will take suggestions.
when i get it, i will take a picture of it on my car.

anyhoo......let me know if you have other suggestions. thanks

chucklez3 said...

....or maybe...

SLUSHO??

Ellen said...

Thank you Shellma! That's a cute little avatar you've got there too! Sorry I had to leave for a while, not feeling too well. Now that I've slept for a while (and it's 3:40 am much to my husband's dismay!), I'm wide awake!
DeD, that's awesome that you caught that commercial on Sci-fi! I'll be around lurking, I know you guys are probably sleeping now...if not, I'm here! xxoo

Ellen said...

Chucklez3-
That's a tough choice! Personally, I like these 4:
LOSTFAN
Find 815
Dharma
Namaste

It would be very difficult to choose between those 4. If I saw any of them on a car, I'd be bouncing down the highway trying to stop the car that had it!!(hahaha)
xxoo

takes a village said...

Just saw the Oceanic Air commercial on VH1.
At the very least; Lost should win the top award for marketing this year.

Ellen said...

Takes A Village!
That's for sure!

ooxx

chucklez3 said...

okay......maybe "NAMASTE" or "SLUSHO".

"FIND815" isn't bad either.

but i'm thinking maybe "NAMASTE".

Ange said...

Chucklez: My vote is for JOOP105, PRGATRY (but only because it screams you), or FSHBSCT. Hey how about LOST108?

Takes a village and dedjezter I'm going to update the main page with the commercials as they sightings of them trickle in. barbarajay's daughter saw one on VH1 early this week (Monday I think). I'll add it to Fenris's weekly round-up when it's ready.

ib4uc said...

chuckle3z... love the choices. I think I'd pick LOSTFAN. What about JOOPLVS? or IM4LOST?

ange, jess, fenris, et al... just in case I forgot to say it, THANKS!!!!!! You guys are the best.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

To answer your question, though, Ded, yes. The FOA.com video was hacked right away in the game.

Fenris said...

NEW POST!

Chapter 2 Summary is up and it's BIG. Seems a lot happened. As usual if I missed anything email me at the usual address.