**According to the timer on Find815.com our final "Activity" will come around noon eastern time on 1/31. According to the Maxwell-Group log in page and some creative conversions, it looks like the final log-in there will be at 7:08pm eastern time on 1/31. Synchronize your watches and after the conclusion of the game, head over to TLC for some Season 4 premier discussion! ~Ange
Tonights video starts with Sam walking the deck of the Christiane 1. He hears Sonya calling him..."Sam...Sam..." Sam looks out over the ocean. An image of Sonya's face appears and says "Love you madly". Is Sam just seeing things? Is Sonya projecting herself? Ockham walks up and tells Sam that "this place" can "get to you"!
After that we have our, Clue Hunt
Tonight's clue hunt takes place on the deck of the Christiane 1.
Clues:
- Season 1 - Backgammon
- Season 2 - Four Toed Statue
- Season 3 - Gas Lamp
- Season 4 - HERE
- Game - Navigate the Storms and Tidal Waves
- This is pretty much self explanatory. You have to use the arrow keys to make your ship avoid the lightning storms and the tidal waves. You can touch the clouds without the lightning though.
- Once you are finished you get your Chapter 5/Season 4 Clue. The passwords are:
B) Yahoo - Red Sox Thanks to Patch and Pharmacopaeia for e-mailing.
Chapter 5 Video Diary:
- Sam says they found the Black Rock.
- He said when they first got there it appeared as though nothing was there. Talbot said the coordinates were insufficient.
- Sam says at first Ockham wanted to throw him over board. When he tried to explain to them how he got the coordinates, emails and such, they looked at him like he was crazy.
- Sam says as Ockham was turning the ship around, the sonar finds something out of the blue.
- Then I think Ockham wants to kiss Sam, or something like that.
- Sam is going to get to drive one of their ROV's down to get a look at the Black Rock as soon as the weather clears.
- Sam starts talking about his anniversary and says that he and Sonya met on the island, Tanna in the Pacific.
As usual all of the blip pictures can be found at the Oceanic Conspiracies Photobucket.
The video has a lot of glitches this time. I think I heard speaking as well. What do you think? Also, since we know the "actual" location of the Black Rock, what do you think they have actually found? I think this ending could either answer a lot, or leave us with a creepy cliffhanger!
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repost: so is anyone working on the glitches from the video? I can hear words but I am just trying to consentrate on the visiual at the moment (and not getting anything)
hmmm, it would have been nice if I had seen that spelling error before reposting!
Night Ular97
Good luck with your check up.
checking out for now, though I think everyone else has disappeared!
I'm still here! Great post, Jess (although the PW Southfields has an "s" on the end)!
Loved the glitch slide show! It's really hard to capture those glitches. There's nothing on Dark as of yet. I think there's someone talking and it seems to be a face.
Good luck Ular97. Sleep well. :)
Jess, great post and Ange great slideshow. Thank you girls!
I want someone to find out what the talking is about in the glitches!
From last post, because I didnt refresh in time....
29. How did A Cooper get to Island -- Others brought him per Blu-Ray discs.
Is there different stuff on the blue ray as compared to the DVD?
15. Runway? - yes if deleted scene to be believed. Why? Don't know.
Why deleted scenes... Juliet says to sawyer that it was a runway in through the looking glass.
I got the black rock game to when I used Safari, and then it crashed, so I switched to firefox and it brought me to the right game... too weird.
I want a golden ticket...
*Golden ticket only accepted on Oceanic flight... Have a fictional good time... LOL
Good luck, Ular97! Our thoughts are with you.
There are some close-ups of lips and an ear I think in the glitches.
Dark's has a still up of what look's like Talbot on the video diary. Maybe he has been borrowing Sam's camera (really Tracey's), and Sam's been recording over what Talbot recorded! Perhaps we'll get bits and pieces as to what Talbot is up to.
Agreed Patch I thought 21 and 22 looked like ears too.
After I posted the above, I thought, if it's really Tracey's camera, and there might be Talbot stuff on it, does that mean Tracey has been behind this whole thing? That she might have something to do with Talbot/Maxwell, etc?
Talbot is on it again? He was right at the start of the game too. Hmmm.
Patch: It's definitely Talbot. Jose at Dark's took all the pieces of the puzzle that made up a face and put it together.
This makes me very suspicious of Tracey now!
Great caps on PB Ange! Thanks.
I've always been suspicious of Tracey. It looks like we have good reason to be now that's for sure.
I wonder if the video will be of Talbot talking to Tracey?
yay, only one update and the first epi of LOST in a long, long time. What's got two thumbs and is going to freak out all day tomorrow until LOST comes on, this guy.
Are we taking the epi discussion back to the TLC?
Maven, I really think that you are correct and that Tracey will have set this whole thing up with Talbot and who knows who else.
I'm so sad you guys are getting Lost before us, I really am. I'm going to miss you all so much.
I'm not exactly convinced they have found black rock since we know it is on the Losties island. Sounds like they are going deep to dive for it.
Maybe this is the part where they find the fake plane Naomi speaks of?
You don't think it's all a nasty plan to 'get rid of' Sam do you? I don't even know why I'm thinking that. I don't see what harm he could do unless they are worried he will keep digging forever until he uncovers a dirty plot.
the last activity will certainly be driving the ROV Sam says he's been approved to drive. What will we find in the deep water?
Diggity: Yep...everyone is over at TLC with episode discussion. There's a new post over there for today!
A lot of us are of the same opinion. Sam's finds the freckage. Actually, we think the last activity tomorrow will be Sam operating the ROV and WE will find the freckage!
diggity- That's what I was thinking too, but now I'm not so sure. I'm wondering of something else is down there which is neither the black Rock nor the wreckage.
I don't know patch, maybe? The ROV is operated remotely so I don't forsee any danger underwater, but maybe something will happen topside on the ship?
Maybe a satellite phone call? But we have not seen Ockham's ship deploy any helicopters or Talbot mention any.
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Just looked at your slide show on the main page. Some of those multi colored pictures look like they have writing hidden in them.
Have you ever play board games where you have to use a red piece of plastic to read a hidden word?
Who was it who had the red ruler I thnk we need it. :)
It looks like everyone has abandoned us Diggity. *lol*
Patch, it's really hard right now to get Tracey's motive, if she is indeed behind everything. It seems she might have been working with Talbot all along, and has been feeding Sam clues to get him on the ship and keep him there. She keeps checking in on him by staying in touch with Mum, etc. and doing research for him. What's Sam's relationship with Tracey? Is she using Sam to get the truth out, or is this all part of the over all plot to manuever Sam on the Christian I to "accidentally" find the freckage under the pretense of looking for the Black Rock? With Talbot on her video camera (saying something we haven't figured out yet), it seems she and Oscar have some sort of relationship (be it business or personal).
yup....everyone's watching the season finale from last year.
I just keep thinking what was the point of this whole thing if there isn't a happy or meaningful ending. It has to be a good ending, doesn't it?
If it is not meaningful I am not playing the next ARG.
Spooky over at Dark's just posted an audio of the video: Words such as two...investigate...after half an hour...wanna be...Dar...
Could the end there...Dar...be Darling (to Tracey)?
That was my red ruler, but I've long since lost it. Did anyone watch the enhanced TTLG? My husband and I got the biggest kick out of those green balloons at the bottom - it was like watching Mystery Science Theatre - "Jack appears to be in despair" LOL
I'm tivo'ing the new and improved TTLG? For a minute I thought it was on VH1.
Maven, the Dar could also be Dharma!
Maybe Talbot IS really looking for the island...
xxoo
Thanks Maven. :) It's really hard to make anything out clearly from it.
I'm not sure if we'll get a happy ending Diggity. I hope nothing bad happens to Sam, but he did say he had a bad feeling....
Was the re-cap of TTLG enlightening at all?
Us finding the freckage probably won't be quite as exciting as James Cameron's footage of the Titanic, but it will be interesting to see how TPTB show it, if that is indeed what happens. :-)
patch - It seemed to be like, uhm, Lost for the new viewer. Someone would mention Danielle and they'd pop up a little picture of Danielle at the bottom and the caption said (I kid you not) "Danielle is the crazy french chick." (or maybe woman instead of chick - it was still hilarious).
Well, I'm going to watch Kimmel and then off to bed-feeling zombie-ish!
:D
Oh, they did have one fact I didn't know. The dr. at the hospital was named Nadler and Bernard is apparently surnames Nadler. Probably everyone else already knew that, but I didn't.
Thanks Lost2010- It doesn't sound like I missed much then! lol
I don't think I ever heard Bernard's surname before. That's interesting.
Okay, just thought about it, This is regarding the deleted clip that Jimmy Kimmel aired tonight....this may be a bit spoilery...
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Woah, Sawyer just said, on a clip that is cut from the new episode, to Juliet.....what are you going to do when "Oceanic" shows up with a list to check off your name. Is that a confirm that the freighter is Oceanic?
Well, Jess, I haven't seen the clip, but maybe it means that since Juliet wasn't on the original manifest of the flight, people would wonder who she is and what she's doing there. Maybe Sawyer is assuming the freighter is related to Oceanic?
Does anyone else see writing in this picture? Near the center you can see a small black circle. Under that looks like hand written letters. Or maybe I'm just crazy.
I acutally used a red plastic lid to see it better. Couldn't find a ruler lost2010 LOL.
here
I don't see it, Sayid'sgirl. I'm not calling you crazy, though!
Has anyone seen the hidden writing / map in the clue hunt image ?
On the far left it looks like a list of numbers, on the roof over the table it looks like a map.
I'll send some screenshots.
zort, all these things seem to have overlays and I didn't bother paying close attention to this one as I also saw part of the map of Indonesia on a previous clue hunt. It seems to be from Sam's wall where he had all that stuff pinned up at home.
Any of the Aussies out there... in the clue hunt, the metal case that is the season 4 clue... does anyone else think that looks like a pump pack of Home Brand sunscreen beside it?
patch - well, the highlight to me was the music video of Sawyer clips set to Bad to the Bone and the one of Locke set to Crazy. There may have been more but I didn't realize they were putting those on during the commercial breaks until about halfway through.
I put Zort's pictures up in the Photobucket. Also Robin Hood sent us an MP3 of the reversed static pieces put together and reversed. Blogger won't let me host it. I'll see if I can raise Fenris, or if there is someone who has a domain and can host it so I can embed please e-mail! Thanks gang!
Dedjezter asked: 29. How did A Cooper get to Island -- Others brought him per Blu-Ray discs.
Is there different stuff on the blue ray as compared to the DVD?
15. Runway? - yes if deleted scene to be believed. Why? Don't know.
Why deleted scenes... Juliet says to sawyer that it was a runway in through the looking glass.
Sorry I wasn't around to answer right away Ded. Yes there are things on the Blu-Ray that aren't on the normal DVDs. Here are the transcripts for Damon and Carlton answering questions. No. 12 is Anthony Cooper. And yes Juliet said they were building a runway, but then saying for the aliens made you wonder if she was on the up and up. There's a deleted scene where Pickett says it explicitly to other Others which bolsters Juliet's (who I never trust) statement to Sawyer.
maven
It's okay you can call me crazy if you want. :) I really don't think it's anything, but it just kind of popped out at me when I seen the slideshow on the main page.
I have a Jumanji game and it has cards with a similar background that has hidden words in it. You have to use a "decoder" a disc with red plastic to see them.
Well I've been offically asked not to do the activity until my daughter gets home from school.
We'll see. :)
Also I have to go out tonight at 7:00 and I won't get back until 8:00 so after five weeks of playing this game I'm going to miss the pay off when it happens.
Ah Well. I get there eventually.
But I will be at TLC on time to discuss the show tonight. Can't wait.
I'm going to be about a half hour late for the launch of the last bit of the story. Catch you all after that. I see no ones come up with good stuff from the glitches other than Talbot. We already knew about him. :D If anyone missed our Tanna musings on the last thread, but sure to check them out. They're fun if possibly meaningless. (And we never mentioned the penis sheaths, she types childishly.)
FYI: 1pm Eastern. Noon Central. Dunno if that's different than what was coming up last night, but that's what it says now.
The (apparently) flash-forward voice glitches in the video are maybe the most satisfyingly interesting techie detail of Find815 so far.
The Tanna reference is meaningful. Sam's tangents about Sonya always hint at something greater. It's no coincidence that it looks an awful lot like our Island, complete with a secondary smaller island.
Whoopie Goldberg on "The View" just gave out "top secret" info about the upcoming season, and it ties into the game!!! Spoiler!!!
Emailing admins...
xxoo
memphish...oh my gosh!!! I had put the penis sheaths to the back of my mind. When I was living in Tembagapura, Indo. (west PN) the natives wore them, if anything at all. The first ones I saw, I didn't know if I should giggle, try to look out of the corner of my eye, or just try to be nonchalant. Eventually I paid no attention at all, it was the nose that bugged me. If they took the bones out of it, you could see through that middle part and it was much more strange than the gourd/pants. If I recall correctly, they were called Kotekas by the tribes I lived near.
by the way "Salmet Pagi" / Good Morning. I never mentioned Ular is Bahasa Indo. for snake. When we were there the Indo. would ask hubby "how is misses" he answered "meaner than a snake" thus they nicknamed me bu ular, ms snake. lol
What the heck are ya'll talking about?! Penis sheaths...clearly I need to go back to the previous thread. :)
The View comes on here in 15 minutes. Thanks for the reminder, I would've forgotten to watch Elizabeth Mitchell.
I hope I can be here when the story continues, but you know me, I'm rarely here at the time it all goes down.
Last night when Ben was talking about Jacob to Alex and others, all I could think about was that mention in wiki about the cargo cult and other cults. Who knows what/who Jacob is, but I wonder if they are worshipping Jacob and he's just some lost WWII pilot or something. Maybe he's Fred Noonan! :)
Also- I have to wonder, if we are going to get an activity at 11am/1pm (depending on your time zone), then why did it say that the game would end just before the premiere? There aren't any more empty boxes to be completed are there? I wonder what the deal will be.
Morning: I was all set for the next activity to start in 8 min! Now my counter indicates 10AM (instead of 9AM) pst. Did it change overnight?
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We still have the Maxwell site to get into. It doesn't go live until 7:08 pm EST
maven
You're right it says I have 1 hour to go too.
But I checked earlier this morning at the counter said noon EST then. hummm
I did just refresh the site a few minutes ago.
Maven, it changed in the last half hour. I signed on at work so I could do the puzzle and was in a panic to find the clues before the next activity.
mine says 56 min. right now
The activity box is red, which means it's incomplete. The activity must have been released, but the time changed on story continues. I think we've got another glitch here. Oh, well, waiting another hour isn't too bad!
Allow me to throw a preposterous theory into the ring (since we have an extra hour before the activity)
Hey, what if something happened to the Christiane during the search and we're finding out about it after the fact (yes, an ARG via flashback)....and the boat that Naomi came from was in fact looking for the Christiane because of whatever Sam discovers in the trench.
So what exactly just happened?
The counter got to zero it loaded itself and nothing happened. It just reset the timer to 1 hour. now 52 minutes... did I miss something or did this happen to anyone else?
FYSB: That has been proposed here before. It would be a way to explain all the screen overlays with Sonya's image, and the secondary-level codes (the ones presented to us, not to Sam).
I had 46 min. or something like that. I refreshed my page and now I don't have a counter at all.
FYSB: Yes, a lot of are thinking that this takes place sometime in late Nov to mid-Dec, 2004. We are being shown what happened to Sam and the Christiane I. I think we all are thinking the freckage of 815 will be found (speculation is that it's this last activity with the ROV). The question remains if we're going to see any of the these characters or the ship in the show tonight!
Thanks for pointing that out Kyle. I thought I was up on all the posts, but clearly I was not.
Ular97,
When I refreshed just after it loaded and the new timer came up, it made me log in again.
Hey maven, I wasn't proposing that they find the freckage, but something else of interest to Maxwell/Widmore.
Could someone explain to me what supposed to happen on Maxwell site at 7:08pm est? Are user names and passwords going to work...if we know what they are?
Presumably so Maven... If we knew...lol
Sorry, FYSB! In re-reading your post, I can now see what you were saying. I still think the freighter is at the island because of Penny's coordinates (maybe stolen by her father and his conglomerates). And the Christiane I's mission from the get-go was to "accidentally" find the freckage. Someone has all along set Sam up to get on that ship and find the freckage. That someone can very well now be Tracey.
stupid changing the time on the story continues counter! i was watching and waiting for it to get to zero and instead it went to 1 hour. :( ah well. so nervous/psyched about lost tonight!
I've done it. It's located under Story So Far if nowhere else. Interesting stuff.
You know that reverse audio in Sam's video last night that Dark has on his site. Sort of sounds like Talbot giving a news conference on what happened to the ROV. But that's the way I imagine it sounds like. It's probably something completely different.
Done what, Twinkle? The clue hunt from last night?
Actually I did cheat. The activity gives you the opportunity to try again if you failed (which I did) or continue the story. Which one do you think I chose? :-D
The new activity "Find Black Rock." It's there under Story So Far.
Grrrr, I logged out of the find site trying to get my clock back. Now I can't even get it to open again. Maybe I will just let you all do it and read about it. This is frustrating.
"Find Black Rock"? I don't see it on my Story So Far. Anybody else?
I found that activity..twinkle but it would not load, so that is when I logged out trying to fix it.
I still got nothing even after refreshing the page and logging in again.
I don't have Find Black Rock in my story so far and my counter still says I have 30 minutes.
Maybe it's getting hit. When I first looked it had a loading box after the video diary. I had to let it sit for a while before it loaded. Now it's taking even longer.
At least you are in the site. Don't leave it like I did. LOL
Okay, I have it all, and I am working on a post.
I didn't realize it was continuing this morning. Now, I really wish I wasn't at work today. Although, in general, I like my job.
Dark has the video on his site. He has it hidden behind a clickable link.
Great, Jess! My timer still had time on it too but I found it under Story So Far anyway. I'm off now. Better let others have a turn, right?
I am unfortunately at the mercy of painfully outdated flash and operating systems here at school. I can not even TYPE the address for find 815 without crashing my classroom mac.
Hooray Jess and boo outdated public schools. At least I'll have the new info in a post to hold me over until 4:00. Have fun gang!
I just refreshed again I've got it now.
wonder how we'll get the pswd & usrid for the maxwell site...
hmmm...not satisfied with that ending. Talbot was not surprised was he?
xxoo
Got it, finished it... mixed feelings.
That activity wasn't easy. My forearm is sore!
If I had to guess, I'd say that Talbot works for (maybe) Oceanic, or some other party with a vested interest in putting people off of the REAL 815. He, like Ben, gets people to do what he wants them to do by making them think it's their idea.
I got back and to the activity..but I can't get the blasted thing to move fast enough. maybe I am doing something wrong.
ellen: No, he didn't seem to be.
I have to say I am not satisfied. Too many unanswered questions.
I logged in again, saw the activity, but it won't load. :(
ditto twinkle. Good thing I looked before I posted! I had you spelled wrong as twinkie.
Can't get the video to load. Too much traffic I presume. And for once it's not at an ungodly hour for me but at 6pm, yeah!
Maven, I finally got it to load but my arrow thing for the activity never would move so I just hit the continue. Got the same results, disappointing.
Okay so we get ralphied again by TPTB... Thanx Guys... lol
I agree that Talbot did not seem surprised. He had that same look that Ben gets when something he wants to happen, is about to. He definiely knew it was there and played Sam like a fiddle.
I could not get through the game. I run out of time at the third waypoint everytime, even on the low res version.
whew... got it and did it (after 3 tries and absolutely no time left)
I have to agree with KyleTBP "that Talbot works for (maybe) Oceanic, or some other party with a vested interest in putting people off of the REAL 815. He, like Ben, gets people to do what he wants them to do by making them think it's their idea"
It was all a set-up for Sam to "find" 815. I liked the final video with Talbot speaking on TV... looks like Sam is catching on that it was his plan all along
Ular: I've been called that too. It was the derogatory nickname for people who went to my high school. I'm named TwinkleStarMom after my daughter's favorite song. :-)
I'm dying to post my questions but I guess I'll feed my kids lunch and give you guys a chance to have some too.
I was thinking like Hostess Twinkies which are really good, not a derogaroty name. lol
Saw the video, went to the game. All I get is a black screen! No "?" to click on for instructions; no "close" to get out of it. Frustration city!
I was getting frustrated by the activity, so I went the Twinkle route. I enjoyed it. I still want to know who Talbot is really working for.
I've just completed the last activity, my straegy would be to just zig zag, left then right, etc. the battery power lasts just long enough.
I thought we had been ralphied part way through the end video, but it then kept going.
I know, Ular. :-D Have you heard of he Twinkies Project!
I have more important things to do besides fool around will computer games. Things like think up these nagging questions!
Don't read if you haven't completed the activity.
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They lowered the ROV to 500 meters, right? The converter says that 500 meters = 0.310 miles. Even if the ROV went lower after it was lowered, that's still far short of 4 miles? Or maybe they only saw it from a distance and it was much lower? Then how did they know that everyone was lost? Because the plan was intact?
Who was supposed to be sending the e-mails? Sonya's spirit?
Why wasn't Sam suspicious? Did Sam start to get suspicious at the end when Talbot called finding 815 a "twist of fate?" Will we get a Sam epilogue?!!!
Is Tracey going to make a move on Sam?
What's the log-in for The Maxwell Group website tonight? And why might it be significant?
I'm sure there are more. Do you have any?
I'm not so sure I feel Ralphied, although we did pretty much figure this would be how it would go. We still don't know who is working with Talbot (the e-mails, etc) or even if Talbot is really a Maxwell employee. At least we DO know how Naomie and Cooper were so convinced that our losties were all dead.
The final video didn't really show the ROV going past the windows and looking in, though, did it?
zort: My silly arrow would never move with any of my arrow keys, is that what you used?
(My favorite Twinkies experiments are the Resitivity test, involving testing the Twinkie's ability to conduct electricity, and the Turing test, invovling checking for intelligence.)
Twinkle: activity spoilers below:
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At 500 meters, Ockham said "disengage the ROV." While I doubt that it could have free-fallen all the way down to the bottom of the trench, it was free of the tether by the time Sam started driving.
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I'd like to know who was supplying these events to us (in keeping with the dual-layer ARG theory).
I'd also like to know the password and username for The Maxwell Group website. I thought it would have come in the last activity or video somehow.
ular97, yes arrows to move left, right and forward (I didn't try reverse !)
codysmom no I almost did when the caption came up in the middle, but then it continued.
So are we going to get a second ARG to run in parallel with the series on the Maxwell site ?
Just to confirm, you have to hit all 10 in the 3 minutes? I really stink at these kinds of games.
Anyone else notice the echo-y sort of sounds? Sounded kind of like Ockham.
Still a lot of unanswered questions, but you have to remember that this was really designed to keep us busy until the show was back, not to answer major mythology questions for the show. I still wish they'd give us that family hotline number. Also, how does missing Xmas add up with Naomi's timeline? I guess it could have been the case if they'd been out the whole 90 days they'd miss Xmas, but since they found 815 in roughly 30 it was pre-Xmas.
But why would they stop looking for Black Rock after finding 815? Unless that was their real purpose. Talbot alledgedly paid to find Black Rock, not 815. Way I see it Ockham owes him 2 more months.
Well, I admit I cheated and watched the success video. (Still can't get the game to work or even come up.) I think the look on Talbot's face in the cabin just confirms that this was a set-up from the get go! But, as usual, there are more unanswered questions than answered ones! Typical LOST! LOL Who is Talbot working for? Who is Tracey working for? What's us with The Maxwell Group? Hopefully, the pw is something left hanging from the game: shimmr, southfields, the combo numbers, etc., and we'll get something from that site later today.
twinkle said...
Why wasn't Sam suspicious? Did Sam start to get suspicious at the end when Talbot called finding 815 a "twist of fate?"
Yes, it looked to me like he was getting suspicious at the end of the video. So, since Sam is a techie, maybe he will be the one to hack into the Maxwell site and have us help him get to the real truth?
Sam needs to contact Rachel Blake who at this point should be working at Widmore right?
The reason I said we were Ralphied was not because the video didn't continue, but because all I saw was a part of the tail. I did not see a whole plane intact.
Right, Ded.. I mentioned that, too. I seem to remember in the show a video of seeing the whole plane complete with corpses seen thru the windows. When was that?
LOL, memphish. Sam and Rachel working together to find out the "truth" would be great. I think she is working at Widmore. Her Dad (Hanso) has comitted to no more lies; open communications, etc. BUT Mittlwerk is still out there... he lost the battle, but it's only a battle.... blah blah blah
It would be cool if this ARG would now continue TLE (which always seemed unfinished).
I tried the game a couple of times also then went the twinkle route too. I'll let my daughter try the game this afternoon.
Do you think with that knowing look we get from Sam we'll get anything else from him. It makes you feel like the ending of a show and it says to be continued.
Also what do you think the user id and password is to Maxwell. shimmr and camp millar? Or is something we haven't found yet?
I dont remember if the video with the plane and looking in the windows was real or not, I always thought that was a fake?
The only video we had of them "finding 815" before was fan-faked Ded.
New Post!
Well, I'm playing this *&!@* game now!
thats what i thought... thanx for the confirmation Memphish
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