Thursday, 31 January 2008

Chapter 5 - Find the Black Rock.... or did we?

Today's final update starts with a video of Ockham communicating with the crew of the Christiane 1 to lower the ship's ROV. Ockham is counting as they lower the ROV. The final number he says is 480. Is that 480 feet?

Once this is successfully done, we are led to the...

FINAL ACTIVITY

Find the Black Rock:
  • The object of the game is to maneuver the ROV through ten different way points that could be the Black Rock.
  • You have 3 minutes to complete the activity.
  • If you have a slow internet connection you are advised to click the low resolution button.
  • Thewonderllama sent in a PICTURE of one of the paths that works. (Thanks!)
Upon completion of the activity we are given our...

FINAL VIDEO
  • As Sam watches the ROV top a crest on the ocean floor, Oceanic Flight 815 comes into view.
  • Sam is extremely distraught!
  • Talbot has a very smug look on his face.
  • Then the video changes to Sam watching the news about how Oceanic Flight 815 was discovered. The news anchor reports that sympathies are flooding in for Sam Thomas.
  • The news cuts to an interview with Oscar Talbot. Apparently Talbot "hopes this discovery will bring some closure to the families". Talbot says "Sam had studied every aspect of the plane and in an extraordinary twist of fate, he had his answer"!
FINAL THOUGHTS

As usual, there are screencaps posted in Oceanic-Conspiracies Photobucket Album.

It seems were are left with a lot of unanswered questions. Talbot's final words have me thinking that we were right all along about this being an "accidental" find. What do you think? Who is Oscar Talbot working for? Exactly how deep was the wreckage? I would assume that since Sam used an ROV to find it, it was too deep to "recover" the bodies. How did it get there? Who put it there? Last, but not least, how will they explain finding the wreckage in the Sunda Trench?

In closing, I just wanted to say (and I am sure I speak for the whole Oceanic-Conspiracies Team) how much I have enjoyed working with everyone here. I can't wait for S4 tonight! I look forward to chatting with everyone over at The Lost Community!
Thanks Everyone!

Thanks to Robin Hood who sent us some reversed audio from the video diary from last night. No doubt there is a voice in there. I've uploaded the file as sent (it is reversed, trimmed audio from the video). I also did some noise reduction, compression and normalization on it and put the modified version. HERE is the original, and HERE is the modified version. Check it out and post what you think it says. ~Fenris

NOTE: Don't forget, in theory the Maxwell site goes live at 7:08PM EST. So there may be one more part to this puzzle.

181 comments:

maven said...

First! For the last time! :(

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

I don't think we've seen the last of Sam or Talbot.

Curious to see how we get into the Maxwell site.

DeDJeZTeR said...

Awwwwwww, I've never been first :(

Just kidding... lol

In case Memphish didn't see it, Thanx for the confirmation on that fake footage. I knew it was fake, but Codysmom made it seem plausible for a second... lol

maven said...

I'm playing the @*#$%#*#*@! game now!

I think Talbot saying he hopes this brings some closure to the families was the purpose of this whole charade to begin with Whomever is behind this set-up doesn't want anyone related to the passengers to keep digging or bugging Oceanic. They want to close this chapter for the friends and relatives so no one will keep looking. "They" have other plans for the survivors!

Twinkle said...

I can't get to the end of the last thread to see what people said.

Kyle: I think you're right. It's unusual ever for our PTB to leave things hanging this much.

Here are my unanswered questions (repost from last thread).

They lowered the ROV to 500 meters, right? The converter says that 500 meters = 0.310 miles. Even if the ROV went lower after it let go, that's still far short of 4 miles? Or maybe they only saw 815 from a distance and it was much lower? Then how did they know that everyone was dead? Because the plane was intact?

Who was supposed to be sending the e-mails? Sonya's spirit?

Why wasn't Sam suspicious? Did Sam start to get suspicious at the end when Talbot called finding 815 a "twist of fate?" Will we get a Sam epilogue?!!!

Is Tracey going to make a move on Sam?

What's the log-in for The Maxwell Group website tonight? And why might the website be significant?

memphish said...

The main thing I still want to know is why people aren't saying "why is it in the Indian Ocean when it was flying over the Pacific?" Or if they are saying it, what is the answer to that question.

DeDJeZTeR said...

I like that idea Maven, that they have other plans for the survivors.

Did anybody stop and wonder if maybe the frieghter people are Middlewerks cronies?

Zort70 said...

On the main blog page we seem to be missing last nights activity post.

scoutpost said...

Well I'm just now getting on to see the find815 update. I'll check back later.

Heard what Whoopi said on the View...I did another happy dance! This time I didn't trip over my puppy.

Codysmom said...

I can't get to the last thread, either. When I can I'll see what was said about the fake footage.

I just watched the end video again and noticed that it's when Talbot says "Sam joined the expedition because he wanted to get away from things for a while, at least that's how he put it to me" that gets Sam thinking. He never said that to Talbot...

Twinkle said...

What's the timeline? According to TLE, had Hanso disappeared by 2004? Was Mittlework in charge?

Twinkle said...

Of course, by 2006 (TLE) the original island was unusable, right? Anyone have time to look up the details of what Mittlework was doing in 2004 and the status of the island from TLE? My daughter is all over me so I'm going to have to go.

memphish said...

Thanks thewonderllama for your hint. Even using it I still only got 8 before the clock ran out.

Ellen said...

On the ROV activity,I found that holding down that up arrow no matter what helped me get through it quicker. You can't stop for anything. And it's really a challenge to watch where you're going as well as the map of the points!!! Took me 4 or 5 times, but I finally got it. Whew!
xxoo

thewonderllama said...

codysmom: i thought he said that to talbot in chapter 2 when talbot was questioning why he was interested in the sunda trench?

dedjezter: i definitely think the freighter is related to mittlework's "research".

scoutpost: arg...dunno if i want to know what whoopi said...do i? is it too spoilerish? ack! i can't decide whether to find out or not!

thewonderllama said...

memphish, are you holding down the up arrow the whole time? i was and nearly ran out of battery when i did it.

jess4ua said...

thewonderllama - If you finished the game, you know what she said already. :D

maven said...

I just saw Elizabeth Mitchell on the View. Whoopi really didn't say anything mind-boggling to us! Elizabeth showed a "sneak peak" of tonight. Nothing too revealing, of course.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Whoopi's comment was labeled as SPOILER before. For those who heard it: would you call it a spoiler?

Ellen is right. The ROV doesn't move on its own like in other games on Find815. Keep hammering the gas. I got to all 10 after a couple tries, and the successful try was just before time ran out.

alisomniac said...

Darn it! They fricken' Rachel Blaked us!

thewonderllama said...

jess4ua: ahhhh, thanks! i can sleep easy now. :)

maven said...

We should start getting up a list of possible usernames and passwords for the Maxwell site. Anything "left over" from the game.

Codysmom said...

I didn't see Whoopie on The View, either, and I don't know if I want to find out either:)

In TLE Hanso was last public appearance was New Year's Eve, 2002 in Madrid.

I have a link to TLE walkthrough:

http://lxicon.com/hanso2/

and a link to the Hanso Foundation site:

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/adkahdskja2897429834ahjkncawuye32782374/

Codysmom said...

thewonderllama said...
codysmom: i thought he said that to talbot in chapter 2 when talbot was questioning why he was interested in the sunda trench?

Going to go check that out now..

alisomniac said...

Someone remind me, what do we have to sit through Eli Stone for?

Tim said...

I don't think the fact that Flight 815 is 'found' in the Indian Ocean is that big of a deal. The pilot in season 1 did say they were already 600 miles off course, they could have gotten a lot farther.

The ending of this ARG leaves me satisfied in some sense, and not in other senses.

Good job with all the predictions about freckage, though!

Fenris said...

Well no surprises there then. I think we were all expecting that. But there is likely more to come. Surely Sam can't be satisfied by being blatantly led to the wreckage by Maxwell.

memphish said...

Thanks for the advice. I had figured out to hold down the forward key, but I'm just a sloppy steerer. I hit the walls, I miss the target and then Ockham's taunting voice gets to me. :) I'll probably get my 8-yr-old to try it when he gets home. That red square is taunting me just like Ockham.

maven said...

Here's the TLE Time Line I put together what seems like an eternity ago!

Tim said...

Oh, and how in the world is the-maxwell-group thing going to be revealed?

jess4ua said...

Maven said - We should start getting up a list of possible usernames and passwords for the Maxwell site. Anything "left over" from the game.

Good Point! Maybe we will get more answers tonight from that website. I don't know where to begin as far as passwords though.

memphish said...

Tim, get out your map and compare Sydney, LA, Fiji (where the plane was headed before it crashed per the pilot in the Pilot) and the Sunda Trench. The Sunda Trench is about 2000 miles in the wrong direction. It's north of western Australia.

maven said...

alisomniac: Watch Eli Stone for an announcement by Oceanic Air. Apparently it has something to do with getting a Golden Pass.

jess4ua said...

I certainly don't understand why they would plant the freckage in the sunda trench. If I were a family member, I would be beating down Oceanic's doors saying how the #@$! did flight 815 get over there??????

ular97 said...

I have registered with google every time I logged on here. Just putting my name and password will not let me in, it takes me to register. I can't say I will be sorry to get away from that. I put the same info in everytime and it lets me register and usually if you register someplace once, and try to do it again it says someone has that name or something.

ular97 said...

When you fly from Sydney or visa versa, it is a nonstop 17 hour flight unless you go to Hawaii then to LA. You do not fly over Bali or Indo. at all. We flew from PN to Bali one day, then to Cairns, to Sydney then to LA.

Fenris said...

I've noticed when your doing the way points that the right side seems to go out farther then the left. Basically if you hug the left side of the walls you shouldn't bump as much.

It's not very well programed if you ask me.

Capcom said...

One non-spoilery thing that Whoopi said was that she was excited at the prospect of the plane full of passengers being found in the ocean. Joy Behar was not impressed and dryly commented that what would really be exciting is if they found a bus full of people under the ocean. It loses something in the written translation, but it was pretty funny the way she said it. :o)

Fenris said...

It really doesn't make sense to plant freckage there. At least not if that is anywhere near the island. Very expensive and extravagant way to achieve....what? Make Sam feel even more depressed? I'd be surprised if this did anything other then stir up interest in the 815 mystery. Really makes no sense. So either Maxwell/Others/whoever are real old school super villains with big plans that make no sense or maybe the clone theory is right.

Capcom said...

I guess that the Sunda Trench locale is just a matter of how far away from the island "They" can feasibly fake it, within a reasonable range of where the plane could have possibly traveled, inside the maximum amount of logic stretch fudging. All so that no one looks in the real spot.

Ellen said...

Kyle, Codysmom:
regarding the spoiler from Whoopie, it WAS a spoiler before the game update today, not now. She just said that flight 815 would be found. No big deal, we all knew that!!!

Capcom said...

I agree Fenris, and it could very well be that the entire charade has the oposite effect on the public, or Sam, than that of appeasement and closure.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Over at Dark, justashepard posted:

In regards to the "continue with story" option on today's challenge(instead of finishing the task, you can just skip to the final ending) someone hypothesized on the chat that those who completed all the missions et al would receive an email from find815 containing the password for TMG.

For the record, I have not yet received such an e-mail, but the day is young. It's a decent theory.

maven said...

Well I finally finished the ROV thing! So all my boxes are green!

Tim said...

OK, so Sunda Trench is pretty darn far out of the way.

Carol Dunstan said...

just got up and am trying the activity for the fourth time - argh! And yes... I think the last post and comments might hae been deleted... I suspect there was a lot to catch up on! For any of the Aussies I asked if they thought the pump pack in front of the metal case in the clue hunt was a bottle of Home Brand sunscreen - because that's what it looks like to me!

thewonderllama said...

as for possible user/passwords:
how about shimmr / 411151057 ?

Codysmom said...

Thanks, ellen!

DiggityDirge said...

this was the lamest ARG ever. I feel like such a pawn of TPTB. This was all for marketing data in my opinion. No story value what-so-ever.

I hope there is something we are missing so I can stand corrected.

Twinkle said...

Where did we see the phrase about falling back to original island location?

Twinkle said...

NVM, that was referring to the island target for the vaccine.

Fenris said...

Anyone listened to that audio yet btw?

maven said...

Here are some possible usernames/passwords for Maxwell:
SHIMMR
-79-
36-15-28
02079460892
From Clue Hunts: Vincent, Swan Hatch, Parachute Submarine, 4-toed Statue, Queen's College, Smoke Pillar, Balloon, Ping Pong, Drive Shaft, Pearl, Rocking Chair, Virgin Mary, 108
Sunda Trench
Black Rock
Oscar Talbot
Daniel Faraday
Charlotte Lewis
Frank Lapidus
Ian
Pam
423 Cheyne Walk
Amelia Earhart
A.M. Mullins
Love You Madly
Zeke Klotho Freundlich

Twinkle said...

Thanks for the link, Maven!

So...

DECEMBER 31, 2002: Alvar Hanso last seen in Madrid. Mittlework assumes command of Hanso Foundation?

SEPTEMBER 22, 2004: Oceanic Flight 815 crashes.

LATE NOVEMBER - EARLY DECEMBER, 2004: Sam finds Oceanic 815 near Sunda Trench.

DECEMBER 12, 2004: Cooper on the island testifies to 815 being found.

DECEMBER 17, 2004: Naomi crashes to the island. Testifies to 815 being found the next day. Freighter is near island.

DECEMBER 23, 2004: Losties make contact with the freighter. Charlie discovers it's "Not Penny's Boat."

MARCH 3-5, 2006: Rachel Blake starts sending messages as Persephone leading to Mittlework's downfall.

If Hanso is involved that means it's Mittlework and not Hanso who's at the helm of the Foundation. I hope TPTB remember that if it comes into play. Widmore could be acting independently of THF though. He would know about the island from previous close association with Hanso but may not have the resources Hanso would have to know how to get to and from it easily. He might be taking advantage of the leadership vaccuum and/or Mittlework's being distracted by the numbers. The freighter could also be sent from a rival of Hanso/Widmore too.

It's too early for the freighter to be the virus ship from TLE.

jess4ua said...

Also, why all the references to electromagnetic interference and auroras. Wow, there are a lot of loosed ends here. I hope we get a "little" something else.

thewonderllama said...

fenris: i listened...really hard to make anything out but what i got was:
(long incomprehensible stuff) ... two/too ... (slightly less long incomprehensible stuff) ... after about [some 2-3 syllable word] hours(?), one of the ...

maven said...

Add: All is Lost to the list.

Thanks, Twinkle. Glad to see the TLE Time Line used again! LOL

Zort70 said...

My F5 key hasn't had a workout like this in a while !

Twinkle said...

I would surmise that most of our theories are correct. We might only get definite answers from some DVD extra for the season (like the Access Granted from S3 - soooo helpful).

I should have included on the timeline:

NOVEMBER 27, 2004: Hatch implodes

That means it's entirely likely that what Sam saw was an electromagnetic afterglow from the destruction of the hatch.

It's also likely that the Other Amelia is Amelia Earhart and that the island is in a closed timelike curve (which is what all of the Maxwell and Farady info was leading us towards). While we don't know for sure, I think we can safely assume them. TPTB often make us assume a lot.

Carol Dunstan said...

woot! I did it! Now Sam didn't seem to be suspiscious until he heard Talbot talking on the tv...

well, we got what we expected but I was hoping for more... dunno what... didn't want to see the bodies but ah... I guess it's just I have that huge discrepancy in my head about the planes location and where it should have been (at least east of Australia)

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

wonder: Dark had a good audio breakdown of the voices in the last video diary here:

"first we have the get some steam....we submerged....2 of the rov's to investigate the signal...., after about half an hour one of the rov's......and after that"

They're pretty sure it's Talbot's voice.

scoutpost said...

Sorry I had to take kids to school- didn't mean to leave everyone hanging about the Whoopi "spoiler". I see it's been addressed. The reason I did the happy dance was because it confirmed what we thought about there being 815 wreckage in the trench (before the game went live). It is also interesting because she was talking about the TV show, so they will obviously be tying in the info from the ARG into the show. And since that's the case, maybe we'll get some loose ends tied up after the premier tonite.

Guess I'll go back and try to find the wreckage again. I'm not too good at steering that ROV.

Tim said...

So I just had a cool thought. What if they made the Maxwell Group web site work for everyone's Find815 login – and only the people who had all green squares could log in?

oodles said...

Must say I gave up on the ROV. Might try again later.
No big surprises in the video. Talbots smug look when Ockham was trying to call an end to the search screamed volumes. Also, his all of a sudden so compassionate comments on Sam's search for answers. He was playing Sam all along. So we had someone feeding Sam hints (probably Tracey), the gruff Ockham taking him at face value, and Talbot manipulating him. He must have known that putting barriers in Sam's way and threatening him would make him even more determined to get answers. What makes Sam suspicious in the end is, I suspect, not so much Talbot's sudden compassion but the fact that he says "...he studied every aspect of the plane to find out what happened.... Now, how the hell did he know that? I think Sam realizes he's been played like a fiddle!

Codysmom said...

Carol Dunstan said....
..Now Sam didn't seem to be suspiscious until he heard Talbot talking on the tv...

Exactly!

Codysmom said...

Yes, maven, your timeline is a great resource!

Can't wait to get into the Maxwell site! I don't think you'll need all green squares to get in:)

Codysmom said...

ded said....

In case Memphish didn't see it, Thanx for the confirmation on that fake footage. I knew it was fake, but Codysmom made it seem plausible for a second... lol

I still can't find those posts! Would you mind telling me about the fake footage again? I was just trying to remember where I saw that....

maven said...

I wonder if all this does or does not leave an opening for Sam to be in S4. It looks like he's off the Christiane I and sitting in his living room in Sydney. Talbot seems to be in Australia, too. So it looks like our hopes of having the FIND815 cast in S4 isn't going to pan out.

memphish said...

Codysmom, Ded and I are talking about this youtube video that came out last May after Naomi's big "they're all dead" revelation.

maven said...

Codysmom: I did find the fan-made video of the wreckage on YouTube.

maven said...

Hahaha, Memphish! We think alike again!

scoutpost said...

Oh well, I just can't get past 8 of the 10 way points. I will have to try again later. This better not affect my Golden Pass eligibility! ;)

Codysmom said...

LOL, thanks Maven and Memphish! Yes, that's where I saw that... not exactly canon:)

Codysmom said...

maven, I'm also wondering (but doubtful) if Sam or Talbot would make it onto the show in S4. Maybe they could come into it later, depending on how long it takes the show to reach the point that at least Jack and Kate make it back to the "real world".

AND I'm still wondering how they are going to reconcile the fact that it was popular knowledge that there were no survivors of flight 815 (according to Naomi and Cooper) and then, hmmmm Jack and Kate are "found". They made it a point to say in last night's show in the pop-ups that Jack is a celebrity hero.

So, Ben says he can't let any of the flight 815 survivors get off the island. Would it just be another "oops, that didn't go so well" moment for him (and Mittlos) to have to explain the previous "finding" of the sunken airplane?

oodles said...

Regarding the 'Queen's College' clue, this may be another hint at James Clerk Maxwell: He was born in Edinburgh and died in Cambridge. He is also an alumni of both the University of Cambridge (Queen's College) and of the University of Edinburgh. According to Wikipedia there once was a "Queen's College" in Edinburgh "known of in early Nineteenth century [when Maxwell walked this earth], now closed". It's not the same as the Uni but who knows, perhaps Maxwell had links to that college as well.

I also have a feeling that the equipment from the Physics Dept. was used to do that projection of Sonya and her voice over the sea, to add to Sam's determination. Perhaps they even created the Aurora australis to assure Sam that there are very strange forces at work in that particular area of the Indian Ocean - strange enough to bring a plane down.
ahhh... poor Sam.

Ange said...

Hi Gang, forgive me, I have just gotten home and have read zero comments as I still haven't seen the video yet.

I was alerted to the fact that last night's post was "missing". I just happened to have it still open from this morning and blogger so kindly let me republish it, so it's back and I think, if there were only 134 comments, then so are comments!

Off to catch up!

oodles said...

Here's another possible password for the Maxwell site.
154111057
I let you work it out... :)

Carol Dunstan said...

good save Ange!

takes a village said...

I was able to get all ten points the second try by looking mostly at the dots and triangle,not the path and walls so much. Go Green.
Talbot didn't look the least bit suprised that it was the freckage, and not The Black Rock.

pharmacopaeia said...

I'm kinda disappointed - exactly what I thought would happen weeks ago *did* happen, you don't have to win the final game to 'win' the game, and, well yeah. Hmmm. While I've found this game to be very pretty in terms of production values and a nice little distraction, in general I've found it mostly underwhelming in terms of actual gameplay, coupled with the fact that I found the actual interface to be far from intuitive and rather glitchy. Hopefully that's just me. Sam was pretty awesome though, so here's to that. Oh wells.

Thank you v v much to those who have spent so much time maintaining the blog :D xoxox

oodles said...

Just looked at anagrams for Southfields: studio flesh (yikes, fake bodies) or studio shelf (fake ROV video of seabed? Perhaps Sam only thoughthe was looking at the ocean floor while in fact he was 'playing' a 'computer game'? And the more detailed video of the plane with the bodies in it was CGI?).
What d'ye think? It would be fitting wouldn't it?

Twinkle said...

Sam would definitely try to look up Jack and Kate when they got back! If he was still alive....

AS6 said...

Geez I have a blackout for 10 hours here in Western Sydney and there's an update!

I'll have to play some catch-up.

Ange said...

Okay FWIW...I am kinda caught up but I skipped the game thing, I'll try later. What I think we'll get from this Maxwell site is a directory with memos and back and forth between Tracey and someone in the group (maybe Talbot) talking about how to get Sam to "find" the 815 wreckage. This could mean a lot of things:
1. They were worried Sam would find the real 815 and thus the island and that could be a problem (like Maven said).
2. Tracey has been in on it the whole time, and set Sam up. It's also why Talbot blips into playback on her camera.
3. Sam's Mum works for Maxwell and set him up (LOL I know!)
4. Maxwell and all this magnetic mumbo jumbo is tied to the real Black Rock mission which we won't get to see, but maybe that is where Naomi comes in.
5. Talbot works for Dharma and stole the briefcase from Maxwell, and is trying to protect the location of the island...and thus Dharma somehow planted the freckage.

Too many loose ends, but I do think the Maxwell site will show us the setter-upper. Also I'm wondering if the log-in and password might not just be a combination of the season 4 clue passwords. Also, there is definitely some backwards speech stuff going on during this little final game. I've had it open while I am typing this and it is very loud. If I knew how I would isolate and reverse it....hmmm maybe Fenris is lurking and can do it?

Sayid'sgirl said...

OT My phone just rang and the number on the caller id was 111-111-1111 weird. I didn't answer it and they didn't leave a message.

Twinkle said...

Oooh! What if Sam is the one showing us in 2008 his story from 2004. When the Maxwell site goes live he'll hack it and show us how Tracey and Talbot were in on the whole thing and how survivors might still be alive. He's been working the last two years to bring the Maxwell group down and now that Oceanic is starting up again, he's going to do it.

Maybe the Losties haven't gotten back yet 2008 time(Jack had been flying free for a while with his Golden Ticket). The flashforwards are from 2008, 2009, or even later. That would jive with how Sam hacked the Oceanic Airlines website in 2008 (per the press release), although he would have posted an old video of himself, which is odd. Maybe I'm reading too much into it and the time anomalies are just casualties of the game. After watching that first video again, there's a loophole in the dialog that could place it before Sam's search on the Christiane 1 or after he got back.

Now why would the Losties get rescued in 2004 but not make it back to civilization again until 2008? My theory, the freighter isn't how they get rescued.

Patch said...

as6- Sorry to hear about your blackout. 10 hours is a long time.

Morning all. Did the activity, almost cried for Sam. (I know I'm a sook) lol.

Is that the end then? Somehow there should be more. I'm a bit disappointed. Do you think Sam will be satisfied?

Patch said...

Ooooh Twinkle I hope you are right!

Capcom said...

Wow, great ideas Twinkle and Ange! I hope that it turns out to be that interesting. :-)

Twinkle said...

Oh Oh oh! And then as he's taking down the Maxwell group, he'll discover that it was founded by his father and then have to save him from his evil doctor!

Oh, wait...I might be getting my ARGs crossed. Is there a cure for that?

Patch said...

*lol* Twinkle, you made my morning!

Twinkle said...

Transcript of Sam's first message from hack of Oceanic 815:

On the 22nd of September, Oceanic flight 815 took off from Sydney bound for LA. There were 324 passengers and crew aboard. Six hours after take-off radio contact was lost with the plane. Family members of those onboard only found out the plane was missing, when they got to the arrival gate. My partner, Sonya, she was onboard 815. She is a flight attendant. She really loves her job. In the next few hours Oceanic will announce that the search for flight 815 was to be abandoned and those onboard had to be declared deceased. Oceanic wanna be flying again, taking you places you have never imagined. I had never imagined been taken to the place where I'm right now. I want answers. And I'm sure you do, too.

Twinkle said...

New theories:

It's Tracey. She did love Sam, more than he ever knew. She found the last message which she put on the hacked Oceanic Air website in 2008 on her digital camera which she got back after Sam's death. He got too close to the truth. boohoo :-(

She's been working for a way to bring down Oceanic Air and Maxwell ever since. When the Maxwell Group goes live tonight, she'll hack it and explain how Sam met his untimely demise and how she suspects the Maxwell Group was behind it.

Capcom said...

Oooh, so Tracey is the Aussie Rachel Blake then! Very clever! You heard it here first folks! :-D Hey, I bet that Rachel and Tracey are sisters! Heehee.

Twinkle said...

LOL, capcom! You're welcome, patch!

Maven: I just came across something interesting that probably you and I would be the most interested in. At the 2007 SD Comic Con, Lindelhof and Cuse "recounted a story in which the film was sent to them after being found in a building in Narvik, Norway that was set to be demolished (possibly the Hanso Foundation headquarters)." (from Lostpedia)

Is it possible that after being rescued by his daughter Hanso dissolved the Hanso foundation? It's looking less and less likely that THF is a major player in Lost from now on. In fact I'm betting that Mittlework is so busy (island time) trying to figure out exactly what percentage of the world has to die to solve the Valenzetti equation, that Widmore/Paik/Maxwell group are doing whatever they please. You know how these mad scientists can be so single minded.

Of course he might have just moved to be closer to his American daughter, but I doubt it. Hanso as a force on Lost is probably dead.

Twinkle said...

Wonder if the thing on Eli Stone is going to contain and announcement from Oceanic that the first people to receive Golden Passes are....the Losties! Nah, that'd be too easy. Then they'd give away everyone who mad it off the island right away. TPTB won't do that. It's not in their character to just give information. We have to pry it out of their subliminal messages. "TPTB love you. Think about Lost.Hang on everything TPTB says."

alisomniac said...

I think we all "should'a known better" when the coordinates for black rock were so far off the MAGIC number coordinates from (TLE1?/show) that "pinpoint" the island somewhere in the pacific. ARGh!

alisomniac said...

oops, maybe "golden pass" will be the log-in at TMG????

Carol Dunstan said...

ok, here's a question. We were originally told that the game would finish two hours before the season premier. Well, that activity was released well before the season premier... so is there something else? Or is that another clerical error?

oodles said...

Never mind the log-in, what's the user name?
otalbot?
rtracey?
...?

oodles said...

Carol, I'm sure it's the Maxwell action.

Twinkle said...

What if when the site goes live there's no log in anymore?

Fenris said...

I think the Hanso angle was really Javi's brainchild and so now he's gone I wouldn't be surprised to see it largely pushed aside.

oodles said...

TMG should be live now.

Twinkle said...

Boo sniff Jsvi was fun.

jess4ua said...

TMG still says it's down for me. :S

Twinkle said...

That's what I get for typing left handed while eating pizza with a cold. ;-)

Twinkle said...

How did we get the idea that it was going to be up now?

oodles said...

Twinkle
02/01/2008 00:08:15 UTC

it is now UTC: Friday, February, 1, 2008 - 00:13:24

memphish said...

So does that mean we think we're done for the night? I need to get in LOST mode, i.e. Hubby and Kiddo disposed of. ;)

memphish said...

8:15 eh?

memphish said...

How do you find out that date and time oodles?

Twinkle said...

My cold has affected me more than I realized. I thought it was January still!

memphish said...

BBL

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

UTC is some goofy stuff. All times before 09 or so are actually the previous day.

Unless TPTB didn't think we'd be able to translate UTC, or they screwed up when they did it themselves

oodles said...

Memphish
http://www.thetimenow.com/
Bottom left in small print

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Hey.....according to that site, the magic hour has since passed by a few hours. Or am I reading it incorrectly?

oodles said...

kyle it is now
UTC: Friday, February, 1, 2008 - 00:31:43

Twinkle said...

It now says
02/01/2008 00:08:15 UTC like oodles posted. The date/timestamp at DarkUFO is different. It translates to 3:15 am eastern time today, but that's obviously not like. Most likely it's another glitch and they intend the site to go live after Lost and the announcements tonight?

Twinkle said...

not *right* Interns again. ;-)

Fenris said...

Okay. I guess they were sitting around wondering how they could make it more of an anti-climax at the end and they figured, let's have a completely meaningless site that teases at doing something and then doesn't bother to. Yay.

Right. Bored now.

Of course it could just be that TPTS don't understand UTC themselves. So maybe it'll go live after lost. *shrug*

Ah well.

oodles said...

Looks like TPTB got it wrong alright. I happen to be on UTC time here in Ireland (UTC+0). I'm officially p***** if the site goes live after the S4 premiere.
Gotta wait until next Monday anyway for S4-1, so I won't be joining you guys at TLC quite yet.

memphish said...

Sorry Oodles I didn't ask clearly. How do we know what time TMG is supposed to go live?

memphish said...

Never mind. I figured it out.

Fenris said...

Memphis, when you try and log in it gives you a message the serves is down and will be up at that set time (which has now past).

Fenris said...

Server that is. Lol.

Lost 2010 said...

Oh, poor Sam. And Tracey wasn't even around to offer him a hug or his Christmas present. Sam is going to be majorly pissed if Jack comes trotting back onto dry land without Sonya.

Fenris said...

Maybe Sam will be in a flash forward slapping Jack about. Lol.

Lost 2010 said...

fenris - Excellent idea!

Fenris said...

Right that is me done for the night. I will be on TLC once I've seen the episode (tomorrow night) and I will be back here with the final summary some time over the weekend (maybe Friday if I am not too excited about Lost itself).

Take care peeps and Enjoy Lost!

Capcom said...

Wow......Ralphied again??????

Capcom said...

Cuz really, how could finding 815 on the bottom be a climax for us, since Naomi already told us about it? Hmmm.

jess4ua said...

OMG in the recap, Sayid and Hurley were listening to music. They were talking about how it could be from anywhere or anytime.....Sheesh the freckage has to be close to the island.

memphish said...

Jess, clearly you did not listen to Sayid's explanation regarding radio waves. My theory of that transmission though is that the Others are playing music at the Hydra, like during Colleen's funeral, and that's what they pick up.

alisomniac said...

I think it would help a lot to know the Sam-Thomas timeline... is he searching just weeks or months after the crash? Is it 4 years later? Even clarifying the whole "I wont be back for Christmas, which was weeks ago" mess would help, maybe. I dont know. Im not even going to TRY to figure out what TPTB have created in their twisted minds.

jess4ua said...

Memphish- Just thought it was similar to Sam picking up the Amelia Earhart "radio" transmission.

memphish said...

I was just teasing Jess. When has common sense ever explained anything on this show?

jess4ua said...

Memphish- I guess only if you are a man of science. ;)

Paine said...

I don't know why everyone is convinced that the time has already passed. When I try to log into TMG, it clearly says 02/01/2008 00:08:15 UTC, which is about 7 hours from now.

oodles said...

Paine,
it's 00:08:15 in hh:mm:ss,
hence 8 min, 15 sec. after midnight.

oodles said...

... and the time now is ... beep ...
UTC: Friday, February, 1, 2008 - 01:39:28

I'm goin' to bed folks.
Bye for now and thanks for all the fantastic work from the bloggers and all the super theorizing.

Enjoy the show tonight. Muggins here still has to wait til Monday :(

Carol Dunstan said...

alison, I might have something that will help with your timeline. I was trying to summaries the game for some friends and was reminded that at the start it was 2 months till Sam and Sonya's anniversary. We ended on the day of the anniversary and the Christiane wasn't due back to Jakarta till January. So think it goes:

mid-late Oct - Oceanic call off the search
late Oct - Sam starts his quest and joins the Christiane
late Nov/early Dec - the plane is found
late Dec - Oceanic resume flights

memphish said...

I know nothing about websites, so I don't know if this means anything or not, but if I View Frame Info from that main Maxwell page it says that it expires Sun, Feb 3, 2008 8:10:44 pm.

memphish said...

Off to TLC for episode discussion. Hopefully something will happen with Maxwell sooner rather than later.

Aimless22 said...

Perhaps they just made that time up.....it does just equate to 815 after all.

Crabby Cheese said...

Okay, looking at Wikipedia, I think we're meant to use UTC standard time, not shifted for time zone. UTC Mean Time right now is 00:01:23. So yeah, 6.5 hours from now.

The Vantage Point thing appears to have been meaningless, however.

memphish said...

The Vantage Point stuff is a separate "experience" linking LOST to the movie. I don't think it's part of Find815. You can read about the Vantage Point stuff at DarkUFO's site.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Heh, whoops. The preceding comment was from me.

memphish said...

I wondered about that Kyle. Who the heck is this crabbycheese showing up all of a sudden. :D

lostgrrl said...

Thank you so very much for running this blog for the Game! You have helped greatly in fleshing out the game with photos, wikipedia links, decoding etc. You have also been a great help in figuring out some of the activities/clue hunts....Huge Kudos to you!!!!

AS6 said...

I agree, lostgrrl. This here blog has made the whole thing a little more enjoyable.

I really want to see what's going to happen with the Maxwell Group site...Hopefully sometime soon. Very soon.

Ange said...

Okay Oceanic commercial during Eli Stone just directed us to FlyOceanicAir.com. In the commercial Sam says....they found it with a pic of the freckage!

Patch said...

I third what lostgrrl said. It's been a lot of fun again. I wonder if we'll
have another one in the future?

Thank you so, so much to Fenris, Ange and Jess for all your hard work.

*big hugs* from me. :)

AS6 said...

Well looks like it's back to the drawing board for all of us then...

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Yeah, buddy! Find815.com is getting hammered right now.

AWESOME.

memphish said...

I actually got flyOceanic.com to load sort of. I got a blank screen but for the download the press release and privacy policy links. No videos, no pretty backgrounds. Still can't get on find815.

memphish said...

And The Maxwell Group is still user name and password protected.

Patch said...

Ok, the Oceanic Air site isn't working for me anymore.

Is says this site requires AC_RunActiveContent.js.

Is anyone having this problem?

Ange said...

The main page is updated! Also the oceanic site loads for me and it's the same video that has always been there.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Patch, yes. Same for me. I think it's blocking the new video. I got the background and the two links. Now the whole page is down.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Just got through. Still the same vid. Huh. Are TPTB just trying to get more people to hit the Find815 site, even if it's done, or is there going to be a continuing story?

Patch said...

Thanks kyle. :) I was a bit worried it was my computer that was the problem.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

4 hours, 5 minutes until TMG.com resets.

Patch said...

This is what I get on Find815-

Missing Critical Scripts

Find815 is missing critical content and cannot be displayed at this time. We hope to resolve the issue shortly and apologise for any inconvenience.

jess4ua said...

Patch - YVW! Hugs

jess4ua said...

patch - I got the same thing on find815

Patch said...

Jess! :)

I guess they are messing around with the sites in a big way. I'm excited!

Ange said...

Gang I took a video of my TV with the commercial, I am updating the main page with it now. Pardon the poor quality ;).

jess4ua said...

YAY! Ange is the best! :D I have lost my dvring abilities due to weather.

I just don't get this. Was that all just to see Sam telling us not to trust Oceanic?

Ange said...

Press release on Maxwell! Talbot speaks!

Patch said...

Ooooh thanks Ange!

Patch said...

Woah!

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Ange: ??? Press release?

jess4ua said...

I had to clear my PD to get the release to show.

Ange said...

Main page is updated with links for you all to the press audio if you can't get it. From TMG site:

Media Release:
Oceanic Flight 815 Discovery
Expedition leader Oscar Talbot speaks about the remarkable discovery by the Maxwell Group of Oceanic Flight 815 in the Sunda Trench.

Click here to listen.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

Where?

Ange said...

Under the video Kyle...UPDATE 2 it says. On the blog.

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

I cleared everything and I'm not seeing anything different. Is there a login? A Flash app? Is it in the source info?

Kyle aka TheBookPolice said...

No, I mean on Maxwell.

Patch said...

Ange, how did you get the password for TMG site? It still looks the same for me.

Ange said...

Know what...NEW POST, easier for everyone! I', moving the updates there and deleting them from here...so NEW POST!